Episode: 078
Title: Agile Cyber Defense
Aired: March 24, 2018
Featured Segments: Agile Cyber Defense
Synopsis:
Bret Piatt, CTR Host, and Jeff Jaime, Taurean CEO, discuss agile cyber defense.
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00:00:03 from the dark web to your radio dial you 00:00:07 from the dark web to your radio dial you 00:00:07 from the dark web to your radio dial you were listening to cyber talk radio on 00:00:09 were listening to cyber talk radio on 00:00:09 were listening to cyber talk radio on news 1200 WOAI 00:00:14 00:00:14 welcome to cyber talk radio I'm your 00:00:17 welcome to cyber talk radio I'm your 00:00:17 welcome to cyber talk radio I'm your host Brett paya a 20 year internet 00:00:19 host Brett paya a 20 year internet 00:00:19 host Brett paya a 20 year internet security veteran I'm joined this week by 00:00:21 security veteran I'm joined this week by 00:00:21 security veteran I'm joined this week by the CEO of a company who started and 00:00:24 the CEO of a company who started and 00:00:24 the CEO of a company who started and geeked him back in 2012 and Jeff thank 00:00:27 geeked him back in 2012 and Jeff thank 00:00:27 geeked him back in 2012 and Jeff thank you for joining us today and can you 00:00:29 you for joining us today and can you 00:00:29 you for joining us today and can you share a little bit about your company 00:00:31 share a little bit about your company 00:00:31 share a little bit about your company with our listening audience sure Thank 00:00:34 with our listening audience sure Thank 00:00:34 with our listening audience sure Thank You Brett I appreciate you inviting me 00:00:37 You Brett I appreciate you inviting me 00:00:37 You Brett I appreciate you inviting me think of something 00:00:40 00:00:40 this innovation and just the ecosystem 00:00:44 this innovation and just the ecosystem 00:00:44 this innovation and just the ecosystem of companies that are making San Antonio 00:00:46 of companies that are making San Antonio 00:00:46 of companies that are making San Antonio better every day just a little 00:00:50 better every day just a little 00:00:50 better every day just a little correction there I started the company 00:00:52 correction there I started the company 00:00:52 correction there I started the company in 2008 we did rent an office and geeked 00:00:55 in 2008 we did rent an office and geeked 00:00:55 in 2008 we did rent an office and geeked them in 2012 for for about a year at the 00:00:57 them in 2012 for for about a year at the 00:00:58 them in 2012 for for about a year at the old at the old facility which was 00:01:00 old at the old facility which was 00:01:00 old at the old facility which was inspiring because I got to meet a lot of 00:01:03 inspiring because I got to meet a lot of 00:01:03 inspiring because I got to meet a lot of cool people there and I'm sure there's a 00:01:05 cool people there and I'm sure there's a 00:01:05 cool people there and I'm sure there's a lot of cool people here too so I just 00:01:07 lot of cool people here too so I just 00:01:07 lot of cool people here too so I just got a tour again we started torreón in 00:01:10 got a tour again we started torreón in 00:01:10 got a tour again we started torreón in 2008 and next month will be a 10th 10th 00:01:15 2008 and next month will be a 10th 10th 00:01:15 2008 and next month will be a 10th 10th birthday congratulations yeah and so 00:01:17 birthday congratulations yeah and so 00:01:17 birthday congratulations yeah and so before starting torreón you were in the 00:01:21 before starting torreón you were in the 00:01:21 before starting torreón you were in the military here in San Antonio not in San 00:01:23 military here in San Antonio not in San 00:01:23 military here in San Antonio not in San Antonio I'm originally from San Antonio 00:01:25 Antonio I'm originally from San Antonio 00:01:25 Antonio I'm originally from San Antonio but I spent 23 years in the in the Air 00:01:28 but I spent 23 years in the in the Air 00:01:28 but I spent 23 years in the in the Air Force retired Air Force comm officer in 00:01:31 Force retired Air Force comm officer in 00:01:31 Force retired Air Force comm officer in the last 10 years of that career was 00:01:34 the last 10 years of that career was 00:01:34 the last 10 years of that career was specifically in computer security now 00:01:38 specifically in computer security now 00:01:38 specifically in computer security now famously known as cyber security so the 00:01:41 famously known as cyber security so the 00:01:41 famously known as cyber security so the buzzword changed so you may have some 00:01:43 buzzword changed so you may have some 00:01:43 buzzword changed so you may have some friends over in the 24th and 25th Air 00:01:45 friends over in the 24th and 25th Air 00:01:45 friends over in the 24th and 25th Air Force here in town we do and we we 00:01:47 Force here in town we do and we we 00:01:47 Force here in town we do and we we fortunately have some work there to see 00:01:50 fortunately have some work there to see 00:01:50 fortunately have some work there to see you have some friends and some and some 00:01:51 you have some friends and some and some 00:01:51 you have some friends and some and some customers as you uh got out and one of 00:01:55 customers as you uh got out and one of 00:01:55 customers as you uh got out and one of the the our listening audience there's a 00:01:56 the the our listening audience there's a 00:01:56 the the our listening audience there's a lot of folks we've had the bunker labs 00:01:58 lot of folks we've had the bunker labs 00:01:58 lot of folks we've had the bunker labs team on cyber talk radio before talking 00:02:01 team on cyber talk radio before talking 00:02:01 team on cyber talk radio before talking about that so we've a large number of a 00:02:03 about that so we've a large number of a 00:02:03 about that so we've a large number of a military listening audience so can you 00:02:06 military listening audience so can you 00:02:06 military listening audience so can you just talk through with them on the 00:02:08 just talk through with them on the 00:02:08 just talk through with them on the transition out to civilian life and then 00:02:11 transition out to civilian life and then 00:02:11 transition out to civilian life and then what led you to go start your own 00:02:12 what led you to go start your own 00:02:12 what led you to go start your own company here and how how did that 00:02:15 company here and how how did that 00:02:15 company here and how how did that process run through really good question 00:02:17 process run through really good question 00:02:17 process run through really good question you know a lot of times especially when 00:02:19 you know a lot of times especially when 00:02:19 you know a lot of times especially when you're sort of institutionalized after 00:02:22 you're sort of institutionalized after 00:02:22 you're sort of institutionalized after 20 plus years it really doesn't even 00:02:25 20 plus years it really doesn't even 00:02:25 20 plus years it really doesn't even take that long but when you're in the 00:02:27 take that long but when you're in the 00:02:27 take that long but when you're in the military for such a long time you get a 00:02:30 military for such a long time you get a 00:02:30 military for such a long time you get a lens that sees the world in a certain 00:02:33 lens that sees the world in a certain 00:02:33 lens that sees the world in a certain way and it's important but when you 00:02:36 way and it's important but when you 00:02:36 way and it's important but when you transition to you know back to private 00:02:41 transition to you know back to private 00:02:41 transition to you know back to private life if you will commercial the images 00:02:45 life if you will commercial the images 00:02:46 life if you will commercial the images don't look the same in there and they're 00:02:47 don't look the same in there and they're 00:02:47 don't look the same in there and they're kind of scary what I found to be helpful 00:02:51 kind of scary what I found to be helpful 00:02:51 kind of scary what I found to be helpful is to 00:02:53 is to 00:02:53 is to work in the same type of work I felt 00:02:56 work in the same type of work I felt 00:02:56 work in the same type of work I felt comfortable in even though the business 00:03:00 comfortable in even though the business 00:03:00 comfortable in even though the business climate was very different and so it's 00:03:03 climate was very different and so it's 00:03:03 climate was very different and so it's actually liberating in a way when you 00:03:06 actually liberating in a way when you 00:03:06 actually liberating in a way when you when you recognize that the world is not 00:03:10 when you recognize that the world is not 00:03:10 when you recognize that the world is not gonna hurt you it's actually a chance 00:03:13 gonna hurt you it's actually a chance 00:03:13 gonna hurt you it's actually a chance for you to advance and still serve the 00:03:16 for you to advance and still serve the 00:03:16 for you to advance and still serve the country without a uniform yeah so well 00:03:21 country without a uniform yeah so well 00:03:21 country without a uniform yeah so well and one of the things I see talking to a 00:03:23 and one of the things I see talking to a 00:03:23 and one of the things I see talking to a number of veteran business owners that 00:03:26 number of veteran business owners that 00:03:26 number of veteran business owners that their business does something and I 00:03:28 their business does something and I 00:03:28 their business does something and I think you hinted about this a little bit 00:03:29 think you hinted about this a little bit 00:03:29 think you hinted about this a little bit before we we hopped on air here your 00:03:33 before we we hopped on air here your 00:03:33 before we we hopped on air here your business does something but that's not 00:03:34 business does something but that's not 00:03:34 business does something but that's not necessarily the product that you're 00:03:35 necessarily the product that you're 00:03:35 necessarily the product that you're selling the the product you're providing 00:03:37 selling the the product you're providing 00:03:37 selling the the product you're providing is not necessarily the mission and 00:03:39 is not necessarily the mission and 00:03:39 is not necessarily the mission and purpose behind the the business so how 00:03:42 purpose behind the the business so how 00:03:42 purpose behind the the business so how do you you think about that separating 00:03:44 do you you think about that separating 00:03:44 do you you think about that separating the what you do from the why you do it I 00:03:47 the what you do from the why you do it I 00:03:47 the what you do from the why you do it I love that type of dialogue in fact you 00:03:50 love that type of dialogue in fact you 00:03:50 love that type of dialogue in fact you said we have the whole day to talk 00:03:52 said we have the whole day to talk 00:03:52 said we have the whole day to talk together about yeah we can go without a 00:03:55 together about yeah we can go without a 00:03:55 together about yeah we can go without a while this is my favorite subject is 00:03:57 while this is my favorite subject is 00:03:57 while this is my favorite subject is really our purpose for being and I do a 00:04:01 really our purpose for being and I do a 00:04:01 really our purpose for being and I do a lot of reading number one I love books 00:04:03 lot of reading number one I love books 00:04:03 lot of reading number one I love books I'm addicted to it it's much to the 00:04:06 I'm addicted to it it's much to the 00:04:06 I'm addicted to it it's much to the chagrin of my wife I can't stop getting 00:04:08 chagrin of my wife I can't stop getting 00:04:08 chagrin of my wife I can't stop getting books and reading and I even download 00:04:12 books and reading and I even download 00:04:12 books and reading and I even download the electronic version of a book I 00:04:14 the electronic version of a book I 00:04:14 the electronic version of a book I purchased in hardcopy so that's because 00:04:16 purchased in hardcopy so that's because 00:04:16 purchased in hardcopy so that's because you got to have access to it right so 00:04:18 you got to have access to it right so 00:04:18 you got to have access to it right so anyway in the reading and learning that 00:04:20 anyway in the reading and learning that 00:04:20 anyway in the reading and learning that I've done in my life I found out that if 00:04:25 I've done in my life I found out that if 00:04:25 I've done in my life I found out that if you do not have a purpose for being much 00:04:28 you do not have a purpose for being much 00:04:28 you do not have a purpose for being much bigger than yourself then you know what 00:04:32 bigger than yourself then you know what 00:04:32 bigger than yourself then you know what are you what are you really existing for 00:04:34 are you what are you really existing for 00:04:34 are you what are you really existing for and so our purpose our company's purpose 00:04:37 and so our purpose our company's purpose 00:04:37 and so our purpose our company's purpose is to find work create jobs change lives 00:04:42 is to find work create jobs change lives 00:04:42 is to find work create jobs change lives for the glory of God that's why we exist 00:04:45 for the glory of God that's why we exist 00:04:45 for the glory of God that's why we exist now and so it's inspiring because 00:04:49 now and so it's inspiring because 00:04:49 now and so it's inspiring because hundreds of things we've done over the 00:04:52 hundreds of things we've done over the 00:04:52 hundreds of things we've done over the years that meet that criteria I believe 00:04:57 years that meet that criteria I believe 00:04:57 years that meet that criteria I believe is why people come to be part of it 00:05:01 is why people come to be part of it 00:05:01 is why people come to be part of it it's not the case that people gravitate 00:05:04 it's not the case that people gravitate 00:05:04 it's not the case that people gravitate to something just for money 00:05:06 to something just for money 00:05:06 to something just for money it is for putting significance in their 00:05:10 it is for putting significance in their 00:05:10 it is for putting significance in their life and we're not perfect but we built 00:05:14 life and we're not perfect but we built 00:05:14 life and we're not perfect but we built a platform that allows people to live 00:05:16 a platform that allows people to live 00:05:16 a platform that allows people to live that through their life yeah as a if you 00:05:20 that through their life yeah as a if you 00:05:20 that through their life yeah as a if you have high-level cybersecurity skills 00:05:22 have high-level cybersecurity skills 00:05:22 have high-level cybersecurity skills there's a long list of people waiting to 00:05:25 there's a long list of people waiting to 00:05:25 there's a long list of people waiting to give you job offers so yeah I mean and 00:05:28 give you job offers so yeah I mean and 00:05:28 give you job offers so yeah I mean and as a cybersecurity business owner you've 00:05:32 as a cybersecurity business owner you've 00:05:32 as a cybersecurity business owner you've you've got to be able to do something 00:05:34 you've got to be able to do something 00:05:34 you've got to be able to do something above and beyond just I can give you 00:05:35 above and beyond just I can give you 00:05:35 above and beyond just I can give you work in cybersecurity because like 00:05:37 work in cybersecurity because like 00:05:37 work in cybersecurity because like there's again no shortage of the folks 00:05:39 there's again no shortage of the folks 00:05:39 there's again no shortage of the folks for that so I mean I love what you guys 00:05:40 for that so I mean I love what you guys 00:05:40 for that so I mean I love what you guys have have gone and done there and set a 00:05:42 have have gone and done there and set a 00:05:42 have have gone and done there and set a real mission and deeper background 00:05:46 real mission and deeper background 00:05:46 real mission and deeper background purpose for port Orion so where did the 00:05:49 purpose for port Orion so where did the 00:05:49 purpose for port Orion so where did the name come from before I answer that I 00:05:52 name come from before I answer that I 00:05:52 name come from before I answer that I want to pick up on something you said 00:05:54 want to pick up on something you said 00:05:54 want to pick up on something you said sounds good you said wait there's a 00:05:56 sounds good you said wait there's a 00:05:56 sounds good you said wait there's a bunch of talented people out there and 00:05:59 bunch of talented people out there and 00:05:59 bunch of talented people out there and you know there's a there's a greater 00:06:02 you know there's a there's a greater 00:06:02 you know there's a there's a greater need than the people there 00:06:04 need than the people there 00:06:04 need than the people there Oxbow we have access to right so what we 00:06:08 Oxbow we have access to right so what we 00:06:08 Oxbow we have access to right so what we say is we're at a war for talent yeah 00:06:10 say is we're at a war for talent yeah 00:06:10 say is we're at a war for talent yeah we're at a you know we're fighting a 00:06:12 we're at a you know we're fighting a 00:06:13 we're at a you know we're fighting a cyber war but we're also at a war for 00:06:14 cyber war but we're also at a war for 00:06:14 cyber war but we're also at a war for talent and the way you solve that 00:06:17 talent and the way you solve that 00:06:17 talent and the way you solve that becomes the differentiator now I feel 00:06:21 becomes the differentiator now I feel 00:06:21 becomes the differentiator now I feel like we have a good grasp on that and I 00:06:24 like we have a good grasp on that and I 00:06:24 like we have a good grasp on that and I copied the parable in a book called the 00:06:29 copied the parable in a book called the 00:06:29 copied the parable in a book called the dream manager from Matthew Kelly is 00:06:31 dream manager from Matthew Kelly is 00:06:31 dream manager from Matthew Kelly is printed in 2007 and what that basically 00:06:34 printed in 2007 and what that basically 00:06:34 printed in 2007 and what that basically says it says your company can never 00:06:39 says it says your company can never 00:06:39 says it says your company can never become the best version of itself if its 00:06:42 become the best version of itself if its 00:06:42 become the best version of itself if its people aren't first striving to become 00:06:44 people aren't first striving to become 00:06:44 people aren't first striving to become the best versions of themselves and the 00:06:47 the best versions of themselves and the 00:06:47 the best versions of themselves and the way you become the best version of you 00:06:49 way you become the best version of you 00:06:49 way you become the best version of you is when you achieve your personal not 00:06:54 is when you achieve your personal not 00:06:54 is when you achieve your personal not the business when you reach your 00:06:56 the business when you reach your 00:06:56 the business when you reach your personal hopes and dreams in life you 00:06:59 personal hopes and dreams in life you 00:06:59 personal hopes and dreams in life you become a better version of you and as a 00:07:01 become a better version of you and as a 00:07:01 become a better version of you and as a result the company becomes a better 00:07:03 result the company becomes a better 00:07:03 result the company becomes a better version of it so we copying from this 00:07:07 version of it so we copying from this 00:07:07 version of it so we copying from this book we have now two people whose name 00:07:10 book we have now two people whose name 00:07:10 book we have now two people whose name tag reads dream manager we manage the 00:07:13 tag reads dream manager we manage the 00:07:13 tag reads dream manager we manage the personal dreams of every team member we 00:07:15 personal dreams of every team member we 00:07:15 personal dreams of every team member we have in our company so that they can see 00:07:19 have in our company so that they can see 00:07:19 have in our company so that they can see fulfillment 00:07:20 fulfillment 00:07:20 fulfillment in their personal life and we track it 00:07:23 in their personal life and we track it 00:07:23 in their personal life and we track it like a project like a project manager 00:07:24 like a project like a project manager 00:07:24 like a project like a project manager this is a manager so we have seen some 00:07:27 this is a manager so we have seen some 00:07:27 this is a manager so we have seen some very powerful results of doing that and 00:07:31 very powerful results of doing that and 00:07:31 very powerful results of doing that and you know one thing is your retention is 00:07:34 you know one thing is your retention is 00:07:34 you know one thing is your retention is pretty high yeah and so again we're not 00:07:37 pretty high yeah and so again we're not 00:07:37 pretty high yeah and so again we're not perfect and not everybody subscribes to 00:07:40 perfect and not everybody subscribes to 00:07:40 perfect and not everybody subscribes to it but those that do have seen power in 00:07:43 it but those that do have seen power in 00:07:43 it but those that do have seen power in their own life that is inspiring other 00:07:46 their own life that is inspiring other 00:07:46 their own life that is inspiring other people to then do it for themselves so 00:07:48 people to then do it for themselves so 00:07:48 people to then do it for themselves so that's the actual book I read when I 00:07:52 that's the actual book I read when I 00:07:52 that's the actual book I read when I said you know I wanna start a company 00:07:54 said you know I wanna start a company 00:07:54 said you know I wanna start a company and I wanted to start it on this 00:07:55 and I wanted to start it on this 00:07:55 and I wanted to start it on this philosophy because I've you know for one 00:07:58 philosophy because I've you know for one 00:07:58 philosophy because I've you know for one year between my military career and my 00:08:01 year between my military career and my 00:08:01 year between my military career and my this company I worked for a big company 00:08:03 this company I worked for a big company 00:08:03 this company I worked for a big company and I had to to numbers to employee IDs 00:08:07 and I had to to numbers to employee IDs 00:08:07 and I had to to numbers to employee IDs not just one yeah let alone my name 00:08:10 not just one yeah let alone my name 00:08:10 not just one yeah let alone my name right so it is very common that people 00:08:13 right so it is very common that people 00:08:13 right so it is very common that people sort of kind of make fun of that and I 00:08:17 sort of kind of make fun of that and I 00:08:18 sort of kind of make fun of that and I say there are good people in big 00:08:20 say there are good people in big 00:08:20 say there are good people in big companies it's just it's just it's just 00:08:22 companies it's just it's just it's just 00:08:22 companies it's just it's just it's just hard to connect personally at every 00:08:26 hard to connect personally at every 00:08:26 hard to connect personally at every level right so we take deliberate acts 00:08:29 level right so we take deliberate acts 00:08:29 level right so we take deliberate acts to make sure nobody's forgotten their 00:08:33 to make sure nobody's forgotten their 00:08:33 to make sure nobody's forgotten their hearts are not forgotten we track it 00:08:35 hearts are not forgotten we track it 00:08:35 hearts are not forgotten we track it carefully respectfully earn the trust 00:08:39 carefully respectfully earn the trust 00:08:39 carefully respectfully earn the trust for them to believe in it and then we 00:08:42 for them to believe in it and then we 00:08:42 for them to believe in it and then we help them help them not forget what they 00:08:45 help them help them not forget what they 00:08:45 help them help them not forget what they said was important at one time to them 00:08:47 said was important at one time to them 00:08:47 said was important at one time to them yeah so that's the foundational climate 00:08:52 yeah so that's the foundational climate 00:08:52 yeah so that's the foundational climate if you will that we started this 00:08:55 if you will that we started this 00:08:55 if you will that we started this business on was this book it's called 00:08:58 business on was this book it's called 00:08:58 business on was this book it's called the dream manager and I thought one day 00:09:01 the dream manager and I thought one day 00:09:01 the dream manager and I thought one day I was just reading pulling out books at 00:09:03 I was just reading pulling out books at 00:09:03 I was just reading pulling out books at an airport and I thought okay here's a 00:09:05 an airport and I thought okay here's a 00:09:05 an airport and I thought okay here's a book here's a book I was gonna go be a 00:09:07 book here's a book I was gonna go be a 00:09:07 book here's a book I was gonna go be a manager and I thought oh here's a dream 00:09:10 manager and I thought oh here's a dream 00:09:10 manager and I thought oh here's a dream manager it'll teach me how to be a 00:09:11 manager it'll teach me how to be a 00:09:11 manager it'll teach me how to be a dreamy manager right yeah I thought it 00:09:13 dreamy manager right yeah I thought it 00:09:13 dreamy manager right yeah I thought it was the five steps to becoming the best 00:09:15 was the five steps to becoming the best 00:09:15 was the five steps to becoming the best manager and it turns out that I always 00:09:19 manager and it turns out that I always 00:09:19 manager and it turns out that I always say I read that book by accident because 00:09:21 say I read that book by accident because 00:09:21 say I read that book by accident because I thought it was going to be about that 00:09:23 I thought it was going to be about that 00:09:23 I thought it was going to be about that and it totally wasn't about that it was 00:09:26 and it totally wasn't about that it was 00:09:26 and it totally wasn't about that it was about a fictitious company who had a 00:09:29 about a fictitious company who had a 00:09:29 about a fictitious company who had a high turnover rate and how they solved 00:09:31 high turnover rate and how they solved 00:09:31 high turnover rate and how they solved it 00:09:32 it 00:09:32 it and I'll submit that that process works 00:09:36 and I'll submit that that process works 00:09:36 and I'll submit that that process works no matter what you're doing you could be 00:09:38 no matter what you're doing you could be 00:09:38 no matter what you're doing you could be doing cybersecurity you could be doing 00:09:39 doing cybersecurity you could be doing 00:09:39 doing cybersecurity you could be doing lawn mowing you could be doing anything 00:09:42 lawn mowing you could be doing anything 00:09:42 lawn mowing you could be doing anything good if people are involved people have 00:09:45 good if people are involved people have 00:09:45 good if people are involved people have dreams and even if you're not and 00:09:47 dreams and even if you're not and 00:09:47 dreams and even if you're not and florists you have to ream so if you can 00:09:48 florists you have to ream so if you can 00:09:48 florists you have to ream so if you can take that and spread it out I think 00:09:51 take that and spread it out I think 00:09:51 take that and spread it out I think that's a great thing to do because 00:09:53 that's a great thing to do because 00:09:53 that's a great thing to do because people should love coming to where they 00:09:56 people should love coming to where they 00:09:56 people should love coming to where they call work yes because they're they're 00:10:00 call work yes because they're they're 00:10:00 call work yes because they're they're not separating two parts of their life 00:10:02 not separating two parts of their life 00:10:02 not separating two parts of their life they're living their same life 00:10:04 they're living their same life 00:10:04 they're living their same life throughout the day not putting pause and 00:10:07 throughout the day not putting pause and 00:10:07 throughout the day not putting pause and then going to this place called work 00:10:08 then going to this place called work 00:10:08 then going to this place called work coming home and hit resume I say live 00:10:12 coming home and hit resume I say live 00:10:12 coming home and hit resume I say live the same life throughout your day and 00:10:13 the same life throughout your day and 00:10:13 the same life throughout your day and then you don't have to memorize two 00:10:15 then you don't have to memorize two 00:10:15 then you don't have to memorize two versions of yourself yeah I was on a 00:10:19 versions of yourself yeah I was on a 00:10:19 versions of yourself yeah I was on a panel recently and I'm going to steal 00:10:20 panel recently and I'm going to steal 00:10:20 panel recently and I'm going to steal from one of my fellow panelists who I 00:10:22 from one of my fellow panelists who I 00:10:22 from one of my fellow panelists who I think borrow he's fairly certainly 00:10:24 think borrow he's fairly certainly 00:10:24 think borrow he's fairly certainly borrowed from Mark Twain but if you you 00:10:26 borrowed from Mark Twain but if you you 00:10:26 borrowed from Mark Twain but if you you don't know where you're going chances 00:10:28 don't know where you're going chances 00:10:28 don't know where you're going chances are you won't get there and so like I 00:10:30 are you won't get there and so like I 00:10:30 are you won't get there and so like I really love the that whole dream manager 00:10:32 really love the that whole dream manager 00:10:32 really love the that whole dream manager ideas is you're forcing folks to really 00:10:36 ideas is you're forcing folks to really 00:10:36 ideas is you're forcing folks to really think about where do they want to get to 00:10:38 think about where do they want to get to 00:10:38 think about where do they want to get to what it matters to them and with the 00:10:41 what it matters to them and with the 00:10:41 what it matters to them and with the answers to the questions you can show 00:10:42 answers to the questions you can show 00:10:42 answers to the questions you can show them how they're moving and progressing 00:10:45 them how they're moving and progressing 00:10:45 them how they're moving and progressing towards that path and if people are 00:10:47 towards that path and if people are 00:10:47 towards that path and if people are waking up in the morning and they get to 00:10:48 waking up in the morning and they get to 00:10:48 waking up in the morning and they get to look at themselves in the mirror and 00:10:49 look at themselves in the mirror and 00:10:49 look at themselves in the mirror and they go you know what I'm gonna go in 00:10:50 they go you know what I'm gonna go in 00:10:50 they go you know what I'm gonna go in today 00:10:50 today 00:10:50 today and I'm gonna get closer to my goals and 00:10:52 and I'm gonna get closer to my goals and 00:10:52 and I'm gonna get closer to my goals and dreams I can see the path I'm on I can 00:10:54 dreams I can see the path I'm on I can 00:10:54 dreams I can see the path I'm on I can see where I'm going I can see how this 00:10:56 see where I'm going I can see how this 00:10:56 see where I'm going I can see how this stuff helps me get there you don't have 00:10:58 stuff helps me get there you don't have 00:10:58 stuff helps me get there you don't have employee turnover you have people that 00:10:59 employee turnover you have people that 00:10:59 employee turnover you have people that are looking forward to coming into the 00:11:01 are looking forward to coming into the 00:11:01 are looking forward to coming into the office every morning and doing their 00:11:03 office every morning and doing their 00:11:03 office every morning and doing their work for the customers doing their work 00:11:04 work for the customers doing their work 00:11:04 work for the customers doing their work for the themselves because it's a full 00:11:07 for the themselves because it's a full 00:11:07 for the themselves because it's a full circle of reward it's not just I'm 00:11:09 circle of reward it's not just I'm 00:11:09 circle of reward it's not just I'm coming here to get some money so I can 00:11:11 coming here to get some money so I can 00:11:11 coming here to get some money so I can actually go really do what matters to me 00:11:13 actually go really do what matters to me 00:11:13 actually go really do what matters to me and maybe the rest of my time is going 00:11:16 and maybe the rest of my time is going 00:11:16 and maybe the rest of my time is going towards my own goals and dreams and and 00:11:19 towards my own goals and dreams and and 00:11:19 towards my own goals and dreams and and I think a lot of folks don't share their 00:11:21 I think a lot of folks don't share their 00:11:21 I think a lot of folks don't share their goals and dreams and desires with the 00:11:22 goals and dreams and desires with the 00:11:22 goals and dreams and desires with the the company they work for or with their 00:11:24 the company they work for or with their 00:11:24 the company they work for or with their manager because they're afraid if I 00:11:25 manager because they're afraid if I 00:11:25 manager because they're afraid if I actually say this then they're gonna 00:11:28 actually say this then they're gonna 00:11:28 actually say this then they're gonna know that I'm not really excited about 00:11:31 know that I'm not really excited about 00:11:31 know that I'm not really excited about what we sell or why we sell it but if 00:11:33 what we sell or why we sell it but if 00:11:33 what we sell or why we sell it but if you'll show up and do good work and and 00:11:34 you'll show up and do good work and and 00:11:34 you'll show up and do good work and and your manager can understand how you're 00:11:37 your manager can understand how you're 00:11:37 your manager can understand how you're using what you do and to progress 00:11:40 using what you do and to progress 00:11:40 using what you do and to progress towards a bigger goal I think it creates 00:11:42 towards a bigger goal I think it creates 00:11:42 towards a bigger goal I think it creates a healthier relationship for everybody 00:11:43 a healthier relationship for everybody 00:11:43 a healthier relationship for everybody it's a real great 00:11:45 it's a real great 00:11:45 it's a real great and yeah I mean it sounds like you are 00:11:48 and yeah I mean it sounds like you are 00:11:48 and yeah I mean it sounds like you are blessed with very low employee turnover 00:11:50 blessed with very low employee turnover 00:11:50 blessed with very low employee turnover and if you're having a hard time hiring 00:11:52 and if you're having a hard time hiring 00:11:52 and if you're having a hard time hiring people 00:11:53 people 00:11:53 people step 1 just like if you have a hard time 00:11:55 step 1 just like if you have a hard time 00:11:55 step 1 just like if you have a hard time finding new customers don't lose the 00:11:57 finding new customers don't lose the 00:11:57 finding new customers don't lose the ones you have you went through all that 00:11:59 ones you have you went through all that 00:11:59 ones you have you went through all that time and energy to get an employee on 00:12:00 time and energy to get an employee on 00:12:00 time and energy to get an employee on board do the things to treat them right 00:12:03 board do the things to treat them right 00:12:03 board do the things to treat them right to take care of them so that they stay 00:12:05 to take care of them so that they stay 00:12:05 to take care of them so that they stay the same thing with customers right it 00:12:07 the same thing with customers right it 00:12:07 the same thing with customers right it is true so a couple of things you 00:12:09 is true so a couple of things you 00:12:09 is true so a couple of things you pointed out relationships get stronger 00:12:13 pointed out relationships get stronger 00:12:13 pointed out relationships get stronger when two or more people are working 00:12:15 when two or more people are working 00:12:15 when two or more people are working together towards the same thing it's 00:12:17 together towards the same thing it's 00:12:17 together towards the same thing it's it's true in a marriage it's true in a 00:12:20 it's true in a marriage it's true in a 00:12:20 it's true in a marriage it's true in a friendship and it's absolutely true in 00:12:24 friendship and it's absolutely true in 00:12:24 friendship and it's absolutely true in an employee employer relationship these 00:12:26 an employee employer relationship these 00:12:26 an employee employer relationship these things are inextricably linked together 00:12:28 things are inextricably linked together 00:12:28 things are inextricably linked together and so you talked about creating your 00:12:33 and so you talked about creating your 00:12:33 and so you talked about creating your own path it's better to create your 00:12:36 own path it's better to create your 00:12:36 own path it's better to create your future than have time take you to a 00:12:39 future than have time take you to a 00:12:39 future than have time take you to a place you didn't really know what was 00:12:40 place you didn't really know what was 00:12:40 place you didn't really know what was gonna happen right so you're 00:12:42 gonna happen right so you're 00:12:42 gonna happen right so you're deliberately acting on the future you 00:12:45 deliberately acting on the future you 00:12:45 deliberately acting on the future you envision for yourself rather than just 00:12:46 envision for yourself rather than just 00:12:46 envision for yourself rather than just kind of letting time sort of get you 00:12:49 kind of letting time sort of get you 00:12:49 kind of letting time sort of get you there and you don't even realize how you 00:12:52 there and you don't even realize how you 00:12:52 there and you don't even realize how you got there next thing you know it's 10 00:12:53 got there next thing you know it's 10 00:12:53 got there next thing you know it's 10 years later and you're wondering why are 00:12:55 years later and you're wondering why are 00:12:55 years later and you're wondering why are you still sitting still in the same 00:12:57 you still sitting still in the same 00:12:57 you still sitting still in the same conceptual place in your in your heart 00:13:00 conceptual place in your in your heart 00:13:00 conceptual place in your in your heart so it is I don't think you can over to 00:13:03 so it is I don't think you can over to 00:13:03 so it is I don't think you can over to over to talk about it because what's 00:13:05 over to talk about it because what's 00:13:05 over to talk about it because what's what's really kind of disappointing is 00:13:08 what's really kind of disappointing is 00:13:08 what's really kind of disappointing is when we say this people say oh wow 00:13:11 when we say this people say oh wow 00:13:11 when we say this people say oh wow that's really cool like you really care 00:13:15 that's really cool like you really care 00:13:15 that's really cool like you really care about your people you know it's like 00:13:18 about your people you know it's like 00:13:18 about your people you know it's like shouldn't we all like yeah feel that way 00:13:21 shouldn't we all like yeah feel that way 00:13:21 shouldn't we all like yeah feel that way why is it such a big news oh yeah but it 00:13:24 why is it such a big news oh yeah but it 00:13:24 why is it such a big news oh yeah but it actually makes art newspaper articles 00:13:27 actually makes art newspaper articles 00:13:27 actually makes art newspaper articles yeah 00:13:28 yeah 00:13:28 yeah because it's very different and I 00:13:30 because it's very different and I 00:13:30 because it's very different and I respect the fact that I'm not making fun 00:13:33 respect the fact that I'm not making fun 00:13:33 respect the fact that I'm not making fun of the world I'm just saying we can make 00:13:35 of the world I'm just saying we can make 00:13:35 of the world I'm just saying we can make it better if we treat each other better 00:13:38 it better if we treat each other better 00:13:38 it better if we treat each other better with dignity respect and we earn the 00:13:41 with dignity respect and we earn the 00:13:41 with dignity respect and we earn the trust for people to tell us I'm here but 00:13:45 trust for people to tell us I'm here but 00:13:45 trust for people to tell us I'm here but I really want to be there and so you 00:13:48 I really want to be there and so you 00:13:48 I really want to be there and so you gotta you gotta be consistent 00:13:51 gotta you gotta be consistent 00:13:51 gotta you gotta be consistent we've helped for at least four people 00:13:53 we've helped for at least four people 00:13:53 we've helped for at least four people that worked in our company start their 00:13:56 that worked in our company start their 00:13:56 that worked in our company start their own 00:13:56 own 00:13:56 own business and a couple of them compete 00:13:59 business and a couple of them compete 00:13:59 business and a couple of them compete with us you know so you can't have it 00:14:02 with us you know so you can't have it 00:14:02 with us you know so you can't have it both ways either you're purely doing 00:14:04 both ways either you're purely doing 00:14:04 both ways either you're purely doing this it can't just be to suit the needs 00:14:08 this it can't just be to suit the needs 00:14:08 this it can't just be to suit the needs of Torian yeah to suit the needs of a 00:14:11 of Torian yeah to suit the needs of a 00:14:11 of Torian yeah to suit the needs of a person and sometimes people come and go 00:14:14 person and sometimes people come and go 00:14:14 person and sometimes people come and go it's a season in their life we don't own 00:14:17 it's a season in their life we don't own 00:14:17 it's a season in their life we don't own people 00:14:18 people 00:14:18 people it's what's better for them in their 00:14:21 it's what's better for them in their 00:14:21 it's what's better for them in their family that's really the end of it you 00:14:23 family that's really the end of it you 00:14:23 family that's really the end of it you know what's better for them and their 00:14:24 know what's better for them and their 00:14:24 know what's better for them and their family and sometimes our company is not 00:14:27 family and sometimes our company is not 00:14:27 family and sometimes our company is not the best place for them so we have to 00:14:29 the best place for them so we have to 00:14:29 the best place for them so we have to free up their future you know quite 00:14:31 free up their future you know quite 00:14:31 free up their future you know quite frankly yeah so you're listening to 1200 00:14:34 frankly yeah so you're listening to 1200 00:14:34 frankly yeah so you're listening to 1200 W AI this is cyber talk radio and I'm 00:14:37 W AI this is cyber talk radio and I'm 00:14:37 W AI this is cyber talk radio and I'm joined this week by Jeff Jaime the CEO 00:14:40 joined this week by Jeff Jaime the CEO 00:14:40 joined this week by Jeff Jaime the CEO of torreón and uh Jeff we've been going 00:14:42 of torreón and uh Jeff we've been going 00:14:42 of torreón and uh Jeff we've been going through at the start of the program if 00:14:43 through at the start of the program if 00:14:43 through at the start of the program if you just joined us on air talking about 00:14:45 you just joined us on air talking about 00:14:45 you just joined us on air talking about building a company culture based on 00:14:48 building a company culture based on 00:14:48 building a company culture based on trust the goals and the dreams of the 00:14:50 trust the goals and the dreams of the 00:14:50 trust the goals and the dreams of the folks at the company so that they can 00:14:52 folks at the company so that they can 00:14:52 folks at the company so that they can achieve those dreams and and build a 00:14:54 achieve those dreams and and build a 00:14:54 achieve those dreams and and build a great lasting rewarding relationship 00:14:57 great lasting rewarding relationship 00:14:57 great lasting rewarding relationship with their company because all of those 00:15:00 with their company because all of those 00:15:00 with their company because all of those for folks that have left even if they're 00:15:01 for folks that have left even if they're 00:15:01 for folks that have left even if they're running competitive businesses now I'll 00:15:03 running competitive businesses now I'll 00:15:03 running competitive businesses now I'll bet that they still have a great 00:15:05 bet that they still have a great 00:15:05 bet that they still have a great relationship with you and a lot of the 00:15:07 relationship with you and a lot of the 00:15:07 relationship with you and a lot of the other folks at Orion as well yeah I mean 00:15:09 other folks at Orion as well yeah I mean 00:15:09 other folks at Orion as well yeah I mean it's not always nice to be honest but it 00:15:13 it's not always nice to be honest but it 00:15:13 it's not always nice to be honest but it is beneficial for them because at the 00:15:15 is beneficial for them because at the 00:15:15 is beneficial for them because at the end of the day maybe they feel stuck in 00:15:19 end of the day maybe they feel stuck in 00:15:19 end of the day maybe they feel stuck in a way right like inhibited they're not 00:15:21 a way right like inhibited they're not 00:15:21 a way right like inhibited they're not really unleashing their full potential 00:15:25 really unleashing their full potential 00:15:25 really unleashing their full potential the biggest job of a leader I think is 00:15:27 the biggest job of a leader I think is 00:15:27 the biggest job of a leader I think is to on uncap the potential and others 00:15:31 to on uncap the potential and others 00:15:31 to on uncap the potential and others right if we are focused on that really 00:15:34 right if we are focused on that really 00:15:34 right if we are focused on that really unleashing everybody's potential then 00:15:37 unleashing everybody's potential then 00:15:37 unleashing everybody's potential then they become better versions of 00:15:39 they become better versions of 00:15:39 they become better versions of themselves and then especially if they 00:15:42 themselves and then especially if they 00:15:42 themselves and then especially if they have children they can be motivating to 00:15:44 have children they can be motivating to 00:15:44 have children they can be motivating to their children right and then they have 00:15:47 their children right and then they have 00:15:47 their children right and then they have a good self-image and so it really 00:15:49 a good self-image and so it really 00:15:49 a good self-image and so it really Cascades and it starts in the business 00:15:52 Cascades and it starts in the business 00:15:52 Cascades and it starts in the business you know if you can't if you can't do it 00:15:55 you know if you can't if you can't do it 00:15:55 you know if you can't if you can't do it as maybe you are unfortunately raised in 00:15:58 as maybe you are unfortunately raised in 00:15:58 as maybe you are unfortunately raised in a certain way that didn't really give 00:15:59 a certain way that didn't really give 00:15:59 a certain way that didn't really give you a lot of self-confidence 00:16:01 you a lot of self-confidence 00:16:01 you a lot of self-confidence guess what companies can help you get 00:16:03 guess what companies can help you get 00:16:03 guess what companies can help you get that back yeah and and I think we're 00:16:05 that back yeah and and I think we're 00:16:05 that back yeah and and I think we're doing that it's just it's very it's it's 00:16:09 doing that it's just it's very it's it's 00:16:09 doing that it's just it's very it's it's meaningful 00:16:10 meaningful 00:16:10 meaningful do it's not easy to do yeah so where did 00:16:14 do it's not easy to do yeah so where did 00:16:14 do it's not easy to do yeah so where did the name Torian come from yes get back 00:16:16 the name Torian come from yes get back 00:16:16 the name Torian come from yes get back to that so yeah what do you think it 00:16:18 to that so yeah what do you think it 00:16:18 to that so yeah what do you think it means so I mean I think of like the the 00:16:21 means so I mean I think of like the the 00:16:21 means so I mean I think of like the the Minotaur in the maze is what Torian 00:16:23 Minotaur in the maze is what Torian 00:16:23 Minotaur in the maze is what Torian makes me think of but I mean sort Oris 00:16:26 makes me think of but I mean sort Oris 00:16:26 makes me think of but I mean sort Oris is the bowl but like your logo and that 00:16:28 is the bowl but like your logo and that 00:16:28 is the bowl but like your logo and that it makes me think of the Minotaur in the 00:16:29 it makes me think of the Minotaur in the 00:16:29 it makes me think of the Minotaur in the maze and like trying to go through and 00:16:31 maze and like trying to go through and 00:16:31 maze and like trying to go through and find the cyber stuff going on out there 00:16:34 find the cyber stuff going on out there 00:16:34 find the cyber stuff going on out there it's amazing it's a mess in our world 00:16:36 it's amazing it's a mess in our world 00:16:36 it's amazing it's a mess in our world good yeah I like that I'm gonna start 00:16:38 good yeah I like that I'm gonna start 00:16:38 good yeah I like that I'm gonna start saying that because the one guy I asked 00:16:41 saying that because the one guy I asked 00:16:41 saying that because the one guy I asked that too 00:16:41 that too 00:16:41 that too I said well what do you think it means 00:16:42 I said well what do you think it means 00:16:42 I said well what do you think it means he goes well a bull it's strong you're 00:16:46 he goes well a bull it's strong you're 00:16:46 he goes well a bull it's strong you're tough on you know security you don't 00:16:49 tough on you know security you don't 00:16:49 tough on you know security you don't take any crap I'm like yeah I want to 00:16:51 take any crap I'm like yeah I want to 00:16:51 take any crap I'm like yeah I want to use that one yeah yeah but I like yours 00:16:53 use that one yeah yeah but I like yours 00:16:53 use that one yeah yeah but I like yours better there we go 00:16:54 better there we go 00:16:54 better there we go the truth is when I tell you the real 00:16:56 the truth is when I tell you the real 00:16:56 the truth is when I tell you the real thing you're gonna be like oh so my 00:17:01 thing you're gonna be like oh so my 00:17:01 thing you're gonna be like oh so my birthday's made of the six you're a 00:17:03 birthday's made of the six you're a 00:17:03 birthday's made of the six you're a Taurus the guy that I sort of co-founded 00:17:06 Taurus the guy that I sort of co-founded 00:17:06 Taurus the guy that I sort of co-founded this with he was May the 10th we were 00:17:08 this with he was May the 10th we were 00:17:08 this with he was May the 10th we were sitting in a closet that we turned into 00:17:10 sitting in a closet that we turned into 00:17:10 sitting in a closet that we turned into an office and a big company I said you 00:17:12 an office and a big company I said you 00:17:12 an office and a big company I said you know what let's start this company he's 00:17:13 know what let's start this company he's 00:17:13 know what let's start this company he's like good I'm with you I said well what 00:17:16 like good I'm with you I said well what 00:17:16 like good I'm with you I said well what do we call it I don't know I said well 00:17:18 do we call it I don't know I said well 00:17:18 do we call it I don't know I said well I'm a six year may tenth for both toys 00:17:21 I'm a six year may tenth for both toys 00:17:21 I'm a six year may tenth for both toys let's just call it Torian he's like yeah 00:17:23 let's just call it Torian he's like yeah 00:17:23 let's just call it Torian he's like yeah let's do that and we could have said hey 00:17:26 let's do that and we could have said hey 00:17:26 let's do that and we could have said hey let's call it Mickey Mouse so you have 00:17:32 let's call it Mickey Mouse so you have 00:17:32 let's call it Mickey Mouse so you have to pick a name it's interesting that a 00:17:34 to pick a name it's interesting that a 00:17:34 to pick a name it's interesting that a name does matter 00:17:36 name does matter 00:17:36 name does matter you know and I've heard it pronounced 00:17:38 you know and I've heard it pronounced 00:17:38 you know and I've heard it pronounced just like my name is Jaime people say 00:17:41 just like my name is Jaime people say 00:17:41 just like my name is Jaime people say James J me you know it's just been my 00:17:44 James J me you know it's just been my 00:17:44 James J me you know it's just been my whole life so I found that true to be 00:17:47 whole life so I found that true to be 00:17:47 whole life so I found that true to be also the case with this company we hear 00:17:49 also the case with this company we hear 00:17:49 also the case with this company we hear taurine tour on tour and right yeah at 00:17:54 taurine tour on tour and right yeah at 00:17:54 taurine tour on tour and right yeah at the end of the day it's what are we 00:17:56 the end of the day it's what are we 00:17:56 the end of the day it's what are we doing for the world whatever label tag 00:17:58 doing for the world whatever label tag 00:17:58 doing for the world whatever label tag you have ours happens Victorian I'm 00:18:02 you have ours happens Victorian I'm 00:18:02 you have ours happens Victorian I'm grateful for it but what's most 00:18:04 grateful for it but what's most 00:18:04 grateful for it but what's most important to me is the impact we're 00:18:06 important to me is the impact we're 00:18:06 important to me is the impact we're having on people and lives and just 00:18:09 having on people and lives and just 00:18:09 having on people and lives and just being good for the world not the best in 00:18:13 being good for the world not the best in 00:18:13 being good for the world not the best in the world 00:18:14 the world 00:18:14 the world yeah so in in you moved out to to born 00:18:16 yeah so in in you moved out to to born 00:18:16 yeah so in in you moved out to to born Texas oh wait no not more Texas yes so 00:18:19 Texas oh wait no not more Texas yes so 00:18:19 Texas oh wait no not more Texas yes so you guys were it geek them at one point 00:18:20 you guys were it geek them at one point 00:18:20 you guys were it geek them at one point now and your your office is out in 00:18:22 now and your your office is out in 00:18:22 now and your your office is out in Bernie and 00:18:23 Bernie and 00:18:23 Bernie and they're one of those ones where everyone 00:18:25 they're one of those ones where everyone 00:18:25 they're one of those ones where everyone mispronounces it outside of bear county 00:18:27 mispronounces it outside of bear county 00:18:27 mispronounces it outside of bear county and for those listening on iHeartRadio 00:18:28 and for those listening on iHeartRadio 00:18:28 and for those listening on iHeartRadio or maybe picking this up on iTunes or 00:18:31 or maybe picking this up on iTunes or 00:18:31 or maybe picking this up on iTunes or pocket casts or another podcasting 00:18:33 pocket casts or another podcasting 00:18:33 pocket casts or another podcasting service after the broadcast around here 00:18:35 service after the broadcast around here 00:18:35 service after the broadcast around here we've got a bear County which is spelled 00:18:37 we've got a bear County which is spelled 00:18:37 we've got a bear County which is spelled B exa R we've got Bernie Texas which is 00:18:41 B exa R we've got Bernie Texas which is 00:18:41 B exa R we've got Bernie Texas which is spelled just like born identity but it's 00:18:42 spelled just like born identity but it's 00:18:42 spelled just like born identity but it's not the Bourne Identity and yeah so we 00:18:45 not the Bourne Identity and yeah so we 00:18:45 not the Bourne Identity and yeah so we lots of mispronunciations around this 00:18:47 lots of mispronunciations around this 00:18:47 lots of mispronunciations around this area for sure so what led you all to 00:18:50 area for sure so what led you all to 00:18:50 area for sure so what led you all to move a little bit further out into the 00:18:52 move a little bit further out into the 00:18:52 move a little bit further out into the hill country they're into Bernie so we 00:18:55 hill country they're into Bernie so we 00:18:55 hill country they're into Bernie so we had enough our first office I was really 00:18:57 had enough our first office I was really 00:18:57 had enough our first office I was really grateful for this lady who gave me a 00:18:59 grateful for this lady who gave me a 00:18:59 grateful for this lady who gave me a chance it was just me off a Blanco Road 00:19:03 chance it was just me off a Blanco Road 00:19:03 chance it was just me off a Blanco Road I went into her and I said I would like 00:19:07 I went into her and I said I would like 00:19:07 I went into her and I said I would like to rent some office space she's like oh 00:19:09 to rent some office space she's like oh 00:19:09 to rent some office space she's like oh well give me your financials and I'm 00:19:12 well give me your financials and I'm 00:19:12 well give me your financials and I'm like I don't have that oh I said I don't 00:19:17 like I don't have that oh I said I don't 00:19:17 like I don't have that oh I said I don't need much and so she said well I'm gonna 00:19:19 need much and so she said well I'm gonna 00:19:19 need much and so she said well I'm gonna take a chance and let you have some 00:19:20 take a chance and let you have some 00:19:20 take a chance and let you have some office space 550 square feet after that 00:19:26 office space 550 square feet after that 00:19:26 office space 550 square feet after that happen everybody believed I was starting 00:19:28 happen everybody believed I was starting 00:19:28 happen everybody believed I was starting a business isn't that something I had 00:19:30 a business isn't that something I had 00:19:30 a business isn't that something I had already said of us but now I have an 00:19:32 already said of us but now I have an 00:19:32 already said of us but now I have an address and they're like oh you're 00:19:34 address and they're like oh you're 00:19:34 address and they're like oh you're serious 00:19:34 serious 00:19:34 serious yeah I was serious yesterday - but now 00:19:37 yeah I was serious yesterday - but now 00:19:37 yeah I was serious yesterday - but now you believe me yes okay I believe you 00:19:39 you believe me yes okay I believe you 00:19:39 you believe me yes okay I believe you that was in 2008 so we started there had 00:19:42 that was in 2008 so we started there had 00:19:42 that was in 2008 so we started there had a few team members join we were blessed 00:19:45 a few team members join we were blessed 00:19:45 a few team members join we were blessed to get some work grow some work we won a 00:19:49 to get some work grow some work we won a 00:19:49 to get some work grow some work we won a really good contract we needed more room 00:19:52 really good contract we needed more room 00:19:52 really good contract we needed more room so we went back the same lady she leased 00:19:56 so we went back the same lady she leased 00:19:56 so we went back the same lady she leased us more more building space and I think 00:19:59 us more more building space and I think 00:19:59 us more more building space and I think we lived in almost every building she 00:20:01 we lived in almost every building she 00:20:01 we lived in almost every building she had at that complex at one point and one 00:20:05 had at that complex at one point and one 00:20:05 had at that complex at one point and one point we had a really nice office and we 00:20:08 point we had a really nice office and we 00:20:08 point we had a really nice office and we had one that was toward the back of the 00:20:11 had one that was toward the back of the 00:20:11 had one that was toward the back of the complex it's amazing we were parking a 00:20:14 complex it's amazing we were parking a 00:20:14 complex it's amazing we were parking a lot away but the people in the back felt 00:20:16 lot away but the people in the back felt 00:20:16 lot away but the people in the back felt less than the people in the front yeah 00:20:19 less than the people in the front yeah 00:20:19 less than the people in the front yeah and that's something you could be less 00:20:21 and that's something you could be less 00:20:21 and that's something you could be less than a mile but the psychology that 00:20:23 than a mile but the psychology that 00:20:23 than a mile but the psychology that takes place between there so I didn't 00:20:25 takes place between there so I didn't 00:20:25 takes place between there so I didn't want them to feel bad so we had to find 00:20:27 want them to feel bad so we had to find 00:20:27 want them to feel bad so we had to find a bigger place we could all be together 00:20:30 a bigger place we could all be together 00:20:30 a bigger place we could all be together so at least in this in this complex we 00:20:33 so at least in this in this complex we 00:20:33 so at least in this in this complex we moved bought a building and Bernie 00:20:36 moved bought a building and Bernie 00:20:36 moved bought a building and Bernie just software by ten now there's room 00:20:38 just software by ten now there's room 00:20:38 just software by ten now there's room for all of us that are our headquarter 00:20:41 for all of us that are our headquarter 00:20:41 for all of us that are our headquarter location we have a leased office space 00:20:43 location we have a leased office space 00:20:43 location we have a leased office space in DC and we have team members in South 00:20:46 in DC and we have team members in South 00:20:46 in DC and we have team members in South Carolina and Florida and so for the 00:20:50 Carolina and Florida and so for the 00:20:50 Carolina and Florida and so for the people here we're all co-located but in 00:20:53 people here we're all co-located but in 00:20:53 people here we're all co-located but in between that timeframe I met a gentleman 00:20:56 between that timeframe I met a gentleman 00:20:56 between that timeframe I met a gentleman who talked to me about geekdom I said oh 00:21:00 who talked to me about geekdom I said oh 00:21:00 who talked to me about geekdom I said oh that's really neat I want to be part of 00:21:02 that's really neat I want to be part of 00:21:02 that's really neat I want to be part of that so we around 2012 we came to the to 00:21:06 that so we around 2012 we came to the to 00:21:06 that so we around 2012 we came to the to that office and and leased it for about 00:21:08 that office and and leased it for about 00:21:08 that office and and leased it for about a year and in that process I got to meet 00:21:12 a year and in that process I got to meet 00:21:12 a year and in that process I got to meet a lot of people that were inspiring but 00:21:16 a lot of people that were inspiring but 00:21:16 a lot of people that were inspiring but we couldn't make it 00:21:17 we couldn't make it 00:21:17 we couldn't make it down here but we just didn't take the 00:21:19 down here but we just didn't take the 00:21:19 down here but we just didn't take the time to do that and so we after about a 00:21:23 time to do that and so we after about a 00:21:23 time to do that and so we after about a year we stopped using it but while we 00:21:27 year we stopped using it but while we 00:21:27 year we stopped using it but while we were there we learned about some cool 00:21:29 were there we learned about some cool 00:21:29 were there we learned about some cool technologies we actually are using as an 00:21:32 technologies we actually are using as an 00:21:32 technologies we actually are using as an inspiration to some of the things that 00:21:35 inspiration to some of the things that 00:21:35 inspiration to some of the things that led me to topic 8 my marketing person 00:21:42 led me to topic 8 my marketing person 00:21:42 led me to topic 8 my marketing person said send in a topic yeah I send in this 00:21:45 said send in a topic yeah I send in this 00:21:45 said send in a topic yeah I send in this topic which doesn't exist yet but we're 00:21:48 topic which doesn't exist yet but we're 00:21:48 topic which doesn't exist yet but we're making it and in truth being told I got 00:21:52 making it and in truth being told I got 00:21:52 making it and in truth being told I got the initial idea from geekdom actually 00:21:55 the initial idea from geekdom actually 00:21:55 the initial idea from geekdom actually when I was when I was here it's a one is 00:22:00 when I was when I was here it's a one is 00:22:00 when I was when I was here it's a one is it I think geek times a mission 00:22:03 it I think geek times a mission 00:22:03 it I think geek times a mission statement or at one point I think it may 00:22:04 statement or at one point I think it may 00:22:04 statement or at one point I think it may still be as but it's the place where 00:22:05 still be as but it's the place where 00:22:05 still be as but it's the place where startups are born where the ideas come 00:22:08 startups are born where the ideas come 00:22:08 startups are born where the ideas come together because usually is is you get 00:22:11 together because usually is is you get 00:22:11 together because usually is is you get folks that have different backgrounds 00:22:12 folks that have different backgrounds 00:22:12 folks that have different backgrounds and perspectives together that's where 00:22:15 and perspectives together that's where 00:22:15 and perspectives together that's where you you start to see some real sparks 00:22:17 you you start to see some real sparks 00:22:17 you you start to see some real sparks and ideas that can make something new 00:22:20 and ideas that can make something new 00:22:20 and ideas that can make something new and different and amazing if you have a 00:22:22 and different and amazing if you have a 00:22:22 and different and amazing if you have a homogenized group of folks all with the 00:22:24 homogenized group of folks all with the 00:22:24 homogenized group of folks all with the same background the same experiences the 00:22:26 same background the same experiences the 00:22:26 same background the same experiences the same life knowledge you you don't often 00:22:29 same life knowledge you you don't often 00:22:29 same life knowledge you you don't often get innovation in those settings so this 00:22:32 get innovation in those settings so this 00:22:32 get innovation in those settings so this is one a Trinity does this at the 00:22:34 is one a Trinity does this at the 00:22:34 is one a Trinity does this at the university level they they'll put people 00:22:36 university level they they'll put people 00:22:36 university level they they'll put people together from different departments onto 00:22:38 together from different departments onto 00:22:38 together from different departments onto a project together in a 00:22:39 a project together in a 00:22:39 a project together in a cross-disciplinary manner or a eighty 00:22:42 cross-disciplinary manner or a eighty 00:22:42 cross-disciplinary manner or a eighty back in the the famous days of Bell Labs 00:22:45 back in the the famous days of Bell Labs 00:22:45 back in the the famous days of Bell Labs most the big laboratory research 00:22:47 most the big laboratory research 00:22:47 most the big laboratory research facilities had 00:22:49 facilities had 00:22:49 facilities had the physicist down one hallway and all 00:22:51 the physicist down one hallway and all 00:22:51 the physicist down one hallway and all the biologists down another hallway and 00:22:52 the biologists down another hallway and 00:22:52 the biologists down another hallway and all the electrical engineers down 00:22:53 all the electrical engineers down 00:22:53 all the electrical engineers down another hallway Bell Labs did an 00:22:56 another hallway Bell Labs did an 00:22:56 another hallway Bell Labs did an intentionally mixed-up design so they 00:22:58 intentionally mixed-up design so they 00:22:58 intentionally mixed-up design so they would have offices now in the hallway 00:22:59 would have offices now in the hallway 00:22:59 would have offices now in the hallway that was biologists electrical engineer 00:23:01 that was biologists electrical engineer 00:23:01 that was biologists electrical engineer chemists physicists and they jumbled the 00:23:04 chemists physicists and they jumbled the 00:23:04 chemists physicists and they jumbled the people up so that they would end up with 00:23:06 people up so that they would end up with 00:23:06 people up so that they would end up with hallway conversations walk into each 00:23:08 hallway conversations walk into each 00:23:08 hallway conversations walk into each other with lunch get to know people 00:23:09 other with lunch get to know people 00:23:09 other with lunch get to know people outside their own fields and that 00:23:11 outside their own fields and that 00:23:11 outside their own fields and that sparked a few little ideas like UNIX and 00:23:14 sparked a few little ideas like UNIX and 00:23:14 sparked a few little ideas like UNIX and the semiconductor and a handful of other 00:23:16 the semiconductor and a handful of other 00:23:16 the semiconductor and a handful of other things that we all use now but that all 00:23:18 things that we all use now but that all 00:23:18 things that we all use now but that all came because of cross-disciplinary 00:23:20 came because of cross-disciplinary 00:23:20 came because of cross-disciplinary research and those conversations that 00:23:22 research and those conversations that 00:23:22 research and those conversations that you need to have for innovation that 00:23:25 you need to have for innovation that 00:23:25 you need to have for innovation that require you to get outside of your your 00:23:27 require you to get outside of your your 00:23:27 require you to get outside of your your own bubble yeah so your your marketing 00:23:30 own bubble yeah so your your marketing 00:23:30 own bubble yeah so your your marketing tagline there says the agile cyber 00:23:33 tagline there says the agile cyber 00:23:33 tagline there says the agile cyber defense for torian's so we're gonna take 00:23:35 defense for torian's so we're gonna take 00:23:35 defense for torian's so we're gonna take a break here at the bottom of the hour 00:23:37 a break here at the bottom of the hour 00:23:37 a break here at the bottom of the hour pretty quick for a news traffic and 00:23:38 pretty quick for a news traffic and 00:23:38 pretty quick for a news traffic and weather update but when we get back from 00:23:40 weather update but when we get back from 00:23:40 weather update but when we get back from the break go ahead and give the folks 00:23:42 the break go ahead and give the folks 00:23:42 the break go ahead and give the folks about a minute here kind of high-level 00:23:44 about a minute here kind of high-level 00:23:44 about a minute here kind of high-level what do what can we talk to them in the 00:23:47 what do what can we talk to them in the 00:23:47 what do what can we talk to them in the agile cyber defense well how do they 00:23:48 agile cyber defense well how do they 00:23:48 agile cyber defense well how do they need to be thinking about things so 00:23:51 need to be thinking about things so 00:23:51 need to be thinking about things so everything moves fast and you have to be 00:23:54 everything moves fast and you have to be 00:23:54 everything moves fast and you have to be agile to adapt to the moving targets 00:23:58 agile to adapt to the moving targets 00:23:58 agile to adapt to the moving targets right and even the moving defense and so 00:24:03 right and even the moving defense and so 00:24:03 right and even the moving defense and so that is a tagline a lot of people think 00:24:05 that is a tagline a lot of people think 00:24:05 that is a tagline a lot of people think that's that's our part of our name 00:24:08 that's that's our part of our name 00:24:08 that's that's our part of our name you know I would say well it's it's not 00:24:10 you know I would say well it's it's not 00:24:10 you know I would say well it's it's not Nike just do it or EA Sports it's in the 00:24:13 Nike just do it or EA Sports it's in the 00:24:13 Nike just do it or EA Sports it's in the game like their the name is Mikey right 00:24:16 game like their the name is Mikey right 00:24:16 game like their the name is Mikey right so yeah I wanted that to be Dorian and 00:24:20 so yeah I wanted that to be Dorian and 00:24:20 so yeah I wanted that to be Dorian and agile cyber defense would be a tagline 00:24:22 agile cyber defense would be a tagline 00:24:22 agile cyber defense would be a tagline but the some of the methods that were 00:24:25 but the some of the methods that were 00:24:25 but the some of the methods that were we're implementing I think are very 00:24:28 we're implementing I think are very 00:24:28 we're implementing I think are very unique and 00:24:30 unique and 00:24:30 unique and you know we've adopted concepts like 00:24:32 you know we've adopted concepts like 00:24:32 you know we've adopted concepts like DevOps and you know deployable systems 00:24:36 DevOps and you know deployable systems 00:24:36 DevOps and you know deployable systems that are agile in a way so I look 00:24:40 that are agile in a way so I look 00:24:40 that are agile in a way so I look forward to talking talking about that so 00:24:44 forward to talking talking about that so 00:24:44 forward to talking talking about that so we are gonna drop off here you're 00:24:46 we are gonna drop off here you're 00:24:46 we are gonna drop off here you're listening to 1200 W AI this is cyber 00:24:49 listening to 1200 W AI this is cyber 00:24:49 listening to 1200 W AI this is cyber talk radio and we'll be right back after 00:24:51 talk radio and we'll be right back after 00:24:51 talk radio and we'll be right back after a news traffic and weather update 00:25:03 00:25:03 welcome back to cyber talk radio 00:25:06 welcome back to cyber talk radio 00:25:06 welcome back to cyber talk radio I'm your host Bret piont a 20 year 00:25:08 I'm your host Bret piont a 20 year 00:25:08 I'm your host Bret piont a 20 year internet security veteran I'm joined 00:25:09 internet security veteran I'm joined 00:25:09 internet security veteran I'm joined this week by a real veteran of the US 00:25:12 this week by a real veteran of the US 00:25:12 this week by a real veteran of the US Air Force 00:25:12 Air Force 00:25:12 Air Force Jeff Jaime who's the CEO of torreón now 00:25:15 Jeff Jaime who's the CEO of torreón now 00:25:15 Jeff Jaime who's the CEO of torreón now spent 23 years in the Air Force prior to 00:25:18 spent 23 years in the Air Force prior to 00:25:18 spent 23 years in the Air Force prior to founding Praetorian back in 2008 if you 00:25:21 founding Praetorian back in 2008 if you 00:25:21 founding Praetorian back in 2008 if you wanted to hear more about the founding 00:25:24 wanted to hear more about the founding 00:25:24 wanted to hear more about the founding of the company how it started and how 00:25:26 of the company how it started and how 00:25:26 of the company how it started and how that they live their values to motivate 00:25:29 that they live their values to motivate 00:25:29 that they live their values to motivate their employees to make their lives 00:25:31 their 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00:26:06 really engaging exciting conversation 00:26:06 really engaging exciting conversation the first half of the program and we'd 00:26:07 the first half of the program and we'd 00:26:07 the first half of the program and we'd kind of headed into the break talking 00:26:09 kind of headed into the break talking 00:26:09 kind of headed into the break talking about agile cyber defense and so you're 00:26:13 about agile cyber defense and so you're 00:26:13 about agile cyber defense and so you're out and we've had a congressman we'll 00:26:16 out and we've had a congressman we'll 00:26:16 out and we've had a congressman we'll heard on the program before so we for 00:26:18 heard on the program before so we for 00:26:18 heard on the program before so we for those in the listening audience we have 00:26:19 those in the listening audience we have 00:26:19 those in the listening audience we have all of our episodes are up on the 00:26:21 all of our episodes are up on the 00:26:21 all of our episodes are up on the podcasting service or on our website one 00:26:24 podcasting service or on our website one 00:26:24 podcasting service or on our website one of the things there he's working on 00:26:25 of the things there he's working on 00:26:25 of the things there he's working on modernizing the military procurement 00:26:27 modernizing the military procurement 00:26:27 modernizing the military procurement process because I mean the way I think 00:26:30 process because I mean the way I think 00:26:30 process because I mean the way I think about it it used to be that weapons 00:26:32 about it it used to be that weapons 00:26:32 about it it used to be that weapons platforms like a b-52 that thing gets 00:26:35 platforms like a b-52 that thing gets 00:26:35 platforms like a b-52 that thing gets designed and they swap out electronics 00:26:37 designed and they swap out electronics 00:26:37 designed and they swap out electronics they swap out the munitions they swap 00:26:39 they swap out the munitions they swap 00:26:39 they swap out the munitions they swap all these things out over the course of 00:26:41 all these things out over the course of 00:26:41 all these things out over the course of a 50 year life cycle for the platform 00:26:42 a 50 year life cycle for the platform 00:26:42 a 50 year life cycle for the platform and the the munitions may 00:26:45 and the the munitions may 00:26:45 and the the munitions may get changed out but in the cyber world 00:26:47 get changed out but in the cyber world 00:26:47 get changed out but in the cyber world platforms change every three to five 00:26:49 platforms change every three to five 00:26:49 platforms change every three to five years munitions change every day these 00:26:51 years munitions change every day these 00:26:51 years munitions change every day these zero day attacks come out and there's a 00:26:53 zero day attacks come out and there's a 00:26:53 zero day attacks come out and there's a new munition to worry about then you've 00:26:55 new munition to worry about then you've 00:26:55 new munition to worry about then you've got a new defense and that munition goes 00:26:56 got a new defense and that munition goes 00:26:56 got a new defense and that munition goes away so it's really changed the the the 00:27:00 away so it's really changed the the the 00:27:00 away so it's really changed the the the world in the way that the Department of 00:27:02 world in the way that the Department of 00:27:02 world in the way that the Department of Defense needs to think about these 00:27:03 Defense needs to think about these 00:27:03 Defense needs to think about these things from a computer 00:27:05 things from a computer 00:27:05 things from a computer procurement perspective and what I heard 00:27:06 procurement perspective and what I heard 00:27:06 procurement perspective and what I heard you saying out of agile cyber defense 00:27:08 you saying out of agile cyber defense 00:27:08 you saying out of agile cyber defense with you guys are introducing some new 00:27:10 with you guys are introducing some new 00:27:10 with you guys are introducing some new more rapid ways for your customer to 00:27:14 more rapid ways for your customer to 00:27:14 more rapid ways for your customer to think about things that we can't talk 00:27:16 think about things that we can't talk 00:27:16 think about things that we can't talk about anything obviously a to secret 00:27:19 about anything obviously a to secret 00:27:19 about anything obviously a to secret sauce here on the air but that's what it 00:27:21 sauce here on the air but that's what it 00:27:21 sauce here on the air but that's what it got me thinking about when you you 00:27:23 got me thinking about when you you 00:27:23 got me thinking about when you you talked about your company that's a good 00:27:26 talked about your company that's a good 00:27:26 talked about your company that's a good good example about platforms one of the 00:27:31 good example about platforms one of the 00:27:31 good example about platforms one of the things that we were able to accomplish 00:27:33 things that we were able to accomplish 00:27:33 things that we were able to accomplish over the past few years is we developed 00:27:36 over the past few years is we developed 00:27:36 over the past few years is we developed our own platform if you will typically 00:27:40 our own platform if you will typically 00:27:40 our own platform if you will typically kind of to your point about the 00:27:42 kind of to your point about the 00:27:42 kind of to your point about the government acquisition process they'll 00:27:45 government acquisition process they'll 00:27:45 government acquisition process they'll buy a thing that does one thing and then 00:27:49 buy a thing that does one thing and then 00:27:49 buy a thing that does one thing and then they'll buy another thing to do another 00:27:51 they'll buy another thing to do another 00:27:51 they'll buy another thing to do another thing and then when they want a third 00:27:53 thing and then when they want a third 00:27:53 thing and then when they want a third thing then they buy a third thing right 00:27:54 thing then they buy a third thing right 00:27:54 thing then they buy a third thing right so eventually you take up a lot of space 00:27:57 so eventually you take up a lot of space 00:27:57 so eventually you take up a lot of space you spend a lot of money in the context 00:28:00 you spend a lot of money in the context 00:28:00 you spend a lot of money in the context of technology you have to take a power 00:28:04 of technology you have to take a power 00:28:04 of technology you have to take a power and you have to account for space and 00:28:06 and you have to account for space and 00:28:06 and you have to account for space and you know all the environmental factors 00:28:08 you know all the environmental factors 00:28:08 you know all the environmental factors that are impacted by more things imagine 00:28:13 that are impacted by more things imagine 00:28:13 that are impacted by more things imagine if you had an app a phone for every app 00:28:18 if you had an app a phone for every app 00:28:18 if you had an app a phone for every app that you wanted to run that's kind of 00:28:20 that you wanted to run that's kind of 00:28:20 that you wanted to run that's kind of the same analogy every app we buy a 00:28:24 the same analogy every app we buy a 00:28:24 the same analogy every app we buy a separate phone what we've been able to 00:28:26 separate phone what we've been able to 00:28:26 separate phone what we've been able to do and it's sort of come full circle in 00:28:29 do and it's sort of come full circle in 00:28:29 do and it's sort of come full circle in a way is we been able to have one 00:28:34 a way is we been able to have one 00:28:34 a way is we been able to have one platform that runs multiple things at 00:28:37 platform that runs multiple things at 00:28:37 platform that runs multiple things at the same time and so with that you enjoy 00:28:42 the same time and so with that you enjoy 00:28:42 the same time and so with that you enjoy reduced you know the capex optics you 00:28:45 reduced you know the capex optics you 00:28:45 reduced you know the capex optics you read you enjoy lower power utilization 00:28:48 read you enjoy lower power utilization 00:28:48 read you enjoy lower power utilization more uptime so we're focused on we do a 00:28:52 more uptime so we're focused on we do a 00:28:53 more uptime so we're focused on we do a lot of system engineering and 00:28:54 lot of system engineering and 00:28:54 lot of system engineering and deployments around 00:28:56 deployments around 00:28:56 deployments around the planet yeah and we have basically 00:28:59 the planet yeah and we have basically 00:28:59 the planet yeah and we have basically adopted a concept where we created a 00:29:03 adopted a concept where we created a 00:29:03 adopted a concept where we created a platform we deploy the platform one time 00:29:06 platform we deploy the platform one time 00:29:06 platform we deploy the platform one time and then we make additions and updates 00:29:10 and then we make additions and updates 00:29:10 and then we make additions and updates remotely quickly in real time so you 00:29:14 remotely quickly in real time so you 00:29:14 remotely quickly in real time so you take away all the you know the 00:29:18 take away all the you know the 00:29:18 take away all the you know the historical requirements of vetting every 00:29:23 historical requirements of vetting every 00:29:23 historical requirements of vetting every change and then there's a spiral 00:29:25 change and then there's a spiral 00:29:25 change and then there's a spiral development cycles configuration control 00:29:29 development cycles configuration control 00:29:29 development cycles configuration control you know those are it's not like you're 00:29:32 you know those are it's not like you're 00:29:32 you know those are it's not like you're ignoring the importance of that but 00:29:34 ignoring the importance of that but 00:29:34 ignoring the importance of that but you're you're doing it in a very more 00:29:37 you're you're doing it in a very more 00:29:37 you're you're doing it in a very more efficient way and so you can literally 00:29:40 efficient way and so you can literally 00:29:40 efficient way and so you can literally copy and paste over the network the 00:29:44 copy and paste over the network the 00:29:44 copy and paste over the network the update in real time and the mission now 00:29:48 update in real time and the mission now 00:29:48 update in real time and the mission now enjoys the advances that you just made 00:29:50 enjoys the advances that you just made 00:29:50 enjoys the advances that you just made you don't have to spend time traveling 00:29:52 you don't have to spend time traveling 00:29:52 you don't have to spend time traveling somewhere every time once you once you 00:29:55 somewhere every time once you once you 00:29:55 somewhere every time once you once you get that so you know some people call it 00:29:58 get that so you know some people call it 00:29:58 get that so you know some people call it like platform-as-a-service if you will 00:30:00 like platform-as-a-service if you will 00:30:00 like platform-as-a-service if you will so we go plug it in once get the power 00:30:04 so we go plug it in once get the power 00:30:04 so we go plug it in once get the power running and then site surveys become 00:30:07 running and then site surveys become 00:30:07 running and then site surveys become virtual yeah right you can see how many 00:30:10 virtual yeah right you can see how many 00:30:10 virtual yeah right you can see how many cycles you have available to you so you 00:30:13 cycles you have available to you so you 00:30:13 cycles you have available to you so you just remotely deploy to those new cycles 00:30:18 just remotely deploy to those new cycles 00:30:18 just remotely deploy to those new cycles and you can deploy tests like what we 00:30:21 and you can deploy tests like what we 00:30:21 and you can deploy tests like what we call sand boxes you can white can deploy 00:30:24 call sand boxes you can white can deploy 00:30:24 call sand boxes you can white can deploy test apps on the same machine checking 00:30:28 test apps on the same machine checking 00:30:28 test apps on the same machine checking to see if the new changes are working 00:30:30 to see if the new changes are working 00:30:30 to see if the new changes are working and if they are you just copy and paste 00:30:32 and if they are you just copy and paste 00:30:32 and if they are you just copy and paste them to the operational it's a very 00:30:34 them to the operational it's a very 00:30:34 them to the operational it's a very different mindset but you know the bad 00:30:37 different mindset but you know the bad 00:30:37 different mindset but you know the bad guys don't wait for us to get our stuff 00:30:40 guys don't wait for us to get our stuff 00:30:40 guys don't wait for us to get our stuff together no the the days of a 90 day 00:30:43 together no the the days of a 90 day 00:30:43 together no the the days of a 90 day patch cycle from the the time that 00:30:46 patch cycle from the the time that 00:30:46 patch cycle from the the time that vulnerability is announced until the 00:30:48 vulnerability is announced until the 00:30:48 vulnerability is announced until the time that you've patched your production 00:30:50 time that you've patched your production 00:30:50 time that you've patched your production system is about eighty nine and a half 00:30:51 system is about eighty nine and a half 00:30:51 system is about eighty nine and a half days too long now right and I always say 00:30:54 days too long now right and I always say 00:30:54 days too long now right and I always say this you don't have to see the end of 00:30:57 this you don't have to see the end of 00:30:57 this you don't have to see the end of the road to believe there is one right 00:30:59 the road to believe there is one right 00:30:59 the road to believe there is one right like if I'm driving to California I 00:31:01 like if I'm driving to California I 00:31:01 like if I'm driving to California I don't have to see from here California 00:31:03 don't have to see from here California 00:31:03 don't have to see from here California to believe it's there I need to just get 00:31:05 to believe it's there I need to just get 00:31:05 to believe it's there I need to just get on the road and as I'm going I might 00:31:08 on the road and as I'm going I might 00:31:08 on the road and as I'm going I might need to pull over but I'm on the I'm in 00:31:10 need to pull over but I'm on the I'm in 00:31:10 need to pull over but I'm on the I'm in the right direction so I don't have to 00:31:12 the right direction so I don't have to 00:31:12 the right direction so I don't have to see the whole entire thing to believe 00:31:17 see the whole entire thing to believe 00:31:17 see the whole entire thing to believe that you know I should start I could 00:31:20 that you know I should start I could 00:31:20 that you know I should start I could start now and you can make changes as as 00:31:23 start now and you can make changes as as 00:31:23 start now and you can make changes as as you're going and then things change if 00:31:25 you're going and then things change if 00:31:25 you're going and then things change if you're not agile and adaptable you're 00:31:29 you're not agile and adaptable you're 00:31:29 you're not agile and adaptable you're gonna go down a path and then have to 00:31:31 gonna go down a path and then have to 00:31:31 gonna go down a path and then have to restart over right so in the old you 00:31:34 restart over right so in the old you 00:31:34 restart over right so in the old you know sort of a college textbook case 00:31:36 know sort of a college textbook case 00:31:36 know sort of a college textbook case people would develop stuff then show the 00:31:39 people would develop stuff then show the 00:31:39 people would develop stuff then show the customer hey here's what we did and they 00:31:41 customer hey here's what we did and they 00:31:41 customer hey here's what we did and they said well that's not what I want it oh 00:31:43 said well that's not what I want it oh 00:31:43 said well that's not what I want it oh well what I do well you have to start 00:31:46 well what I do well you have to start 00:31:46 well what I do well you have to start over you know and so some some models 00:31:49 over you know and so some some models 00:31:49 over you know and so some some models encourage that because they're only paid 00:31:51 encourage that because they're only paid 00:31:51 encourage that because they're only paid for how long they work yes and that is a 00:31:55 for how long they work yes and that is a 00:31:55 for how long they work yes and that is a we need to get rid of that let's just 00:31:58 we need to get rid of that let's just 00:31:58 we need to get rid of that let's just work on what works and then do it 00:32:02 work on what works and then do it 00:32:02 work on what works and then do it quickly and if you mess up let's fix it 00:32:04 quickly and if you mess up let's fix it 00:32:04 quickly and if you mess up let's fix it and go on right because you're supposed 00:32:08 and go on right because you're supposed 00:32:08 and go on right because you're supposed to mess up right that's how you learn 00:32:09 to mess up right that's how you learn 00:32:09 to mess up right that's how you learn I'll never forget I was at a new base in 00:32:15 I'll never forget I was at a new base in 00:32:15 I'll never forget I was at a new base in 2000 no 1999 and I was in a committee I 00:32:21 2000 no 1999 and I was in a committee I 00:32:21 2000 no 1999 and I was in a committee I was brand new and they were they were 00:32:23 was brand new and they were they were 00:32:23 was brand new and they were they were talking about the rollout of Windows 95 00:32:25 talking about the rollout of Windows 95 00:32:25 talking about the rollout of Windows 95 yeah and it was 1999 and so they were 00:32:31 yeah and it was 1999 and so they were 00:32:31 yeah and it was 1999 and so they were trying to make perfect this base wide 00:32:34 trying to make perfect this base wide 00:32:34 trying to make perfect this base wide deployment and it's taking him all these 00:32:36 deployment and it's taking him all these 00:32:36 deployment and it's taking him all these years and when I realized they weren't 00:32:39 years and when I realized they weren't 00:32:39 years and when I realized they weren't kidding I turned to the guy said are you 00:32:43 kidding I turned to the guy said are you 00:32:43 kidding I turned to the guy said are you saying you're waiting to roll out 00:32:45 saying you're waiting to roll out 00:32:45 saying you're waiting to roll out windows 95 with no mistakes 00:32:47 windows 95 with no mistakes 00:32:47 windows 95 with no mistakes yeah we don't want any hiccups I said 00:32:51 yeah we don't want any hiccups I said 00:32:51 yeah we don't want any hiccups I said you could have rolled it out a hundred 00:32:53 you could have rolled it out a hundred 00:32:53 you could have rolled it out a hundred times by now and fixed what messed up 00:32:57 times by now and fixed what messed up 00:32:57 times by now and fixed what messed up yeah and redo it and then you'd be 00:33:00 yeah and redo it and then you'd be 00:33:00 yeah and redo it and then you'd be rather the the culture there was let's 00:33:04 rather the the culture there was let's 00:33:04 rather the the culture there was let's try to fascinate ourselves by not making 00:33:08 try to fascinate ourselves by not making 00:33:08 try to fascinate ourselves by not making any mistakes and then we could rejoice 00:33:10 any mistakes and then we could rejoice 00:33:10 any mistakes and then we could rejoice in a perfect deployment you know really 00:33:13 in a perfect deployment you know really 00:33:13 in a perfect deployment you know really the world went by which is interesting 00:33:16 the world went by which is interesting 00:33:16 the world went by which is interesting inside the the military you can this is 00:33:18 inside the the military you can this is 00:33:18 inside the the military you can this is a good one just to use from a planning 00:33:20 a good one just to use from a planning 00:33:20 a good one just to use from a planning in perspective so on military 00:33:22 in perspective so on military 00:33:22 in perspective so on military operations military does mission prep 00:33:24 operations military does mission prep 00:33:24 operations military does mission prep but there's usually a fixed time 00:33:26 but there's usually a fixed time 00:33:26 but there's usually a fixed time schedule you can only gameplan through 00:33:29 schedule you can only gameplan through 00:33:29 schedule you can only gameplan through so many scenarios you can only think 00:33:30 so many scenarios you can only think 00:33:30 so many scenarios you can only think about so much because this mission go 00:33:31 about so much because this mission go 00:33:31 about so much because this mission go has to go execute on a certain time 00:33:33 has to go execute on a certain time 00:33:33 has to go execute on a certain time schedule like you're gonna be flying a 00:33:35 schedule like you're gonna be flying a 00:33:35 schedule like you're gonna be flying a sortie tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. 00:33:36 sortie tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. 00:33:36 sortie tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. and you can prep between now and 10:00 00:33:39 and you can prep between now and 10:00 00:33:39 and you can prep between now and 10:00 a.m. but 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning the 00:33:40 a.m. but 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning the 00:33:40 a.m. but 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning the planes take off and but in the IT world 00:33:43 planes take off and but in the IT world 00:33:43 planes take off and but in the IT world it seems like inside of the military and 00:33:45 it seems like inside of the military and 00:33:45 it seems like inside of the military and this is in businesses as well like if 00:33:46 this is in businesses as well like if 00:33:46 this is in businesses as well like if you are out there and you owe a contract 00:33:49 you are out there and you owe a contract 00:33:49 you are out there and you owe a contract proposal to a customer or something else 00:33:51 proposal to a customer or something else 00:33:51 proposal to a customer or something else the sales teams gonna get that contract 00:33:53 the sales teams gonna get that contract 00:33:53 the sales teams gonna get that contract proposal to the customer by the deadline 00:33:55 proposal to the customer by the deadline 00:33:55 proposal to the customer by the deadline 10:00 a.m. but the in in some other 00:33:58 10:00 a.m. but the in in some other 00:33:58 10:00 a.m. but the in in some other areas folks will get into this analysis 00:34:00 areas folks will get into this analysis 00:34:00 areas folks will get into this analysis and planning paralysis where they're 00:34:02 and planning paralysis where they're 00:34:02 and planning paralysis where they're trying to figure out how to make it 00:34:04 trying to figure out how to make it 00:34:04 trying to figure out how to make it perfect and instead of making it as good 00:34:06 perfect and instead of making it as good 00:34:06 perfect and instead of making it as good as you can on the time schedule that you 00:34:08 as you can on the time schedule that you 00:34:08 as you can on the time schedule that you have available to you yes and you were 00:34:11 have available to you yes and you were 00:34:11 have available to you yes and you were talking earlier about the acquisition 00:34:12 talking earlier about the acquisition 00:34:12 talking earlier about the acquisition time for things we just recently got 00:34:16 time for things we just recently got 00:34:16 time for things we just recently got involved in a totally different line of 00:34:18 involved in a totally different line of 00:34:18 involved in a totally different line of area of work but we're connecting it to 00:34:21 area of work but we're connecting it to 00:34:21 area of work but we're connecting it to what we know and do and it has it's 00:34:23 what we know and do and it has it's 00:34:23 what we know and do and it has it's involving these you know semi-truck 00:34:26 involving these you know semi-truck 00:34:26 involving these you know semi-truck sized transformers they're huge and they 00:34:31 sized transformers they're huge and they 00:34:31 sized transformers they're huge and they weigh tons and so they're being 00:34:35 weigh tons and so they're being 00:34:35 weigh tons and so they're being developed and created it takes like 60 00:34:38 developed and created it takes like 60 00:34:38 developed and created it takes like 60 something weeks to make one and so the 00:34:42 something weeks to make one and so the 00:34:42 something weeks to make one and so the reason why timing there is important 00:34:44 reason why timing there is important 00:34:44 reason why timing there is important it's the place on the planet that 00:34:46 it's the place on the planet that 00:34:46 it's the place on the planet that they're going to install them yeah they 00:34:50 they're going to install them yeah they 00:34:50 they're going to install them yeah they have to plan it for the where the ground 00:34:52 have to plan it for the where the ground 00:34:52 have to plan it for the where the ground is frozen and the truck doesn't sink so 00:34:56 is frozen and the truck doesn't sink so 00:34:56 is frozen and the truck doesn't sink so if you miss the window you can't do it 00:34:58 if you miss the window you can't do it 00:34:58 if you miss the window you can't do it that year you're gonna have to wait till 00:35:00 that year you're gonna have to wait till 00:35:00 that year you're gonna have to wait till it freezes again next winter right so 00:35:02 it freezes again next winter right so 00:35:02 it freezes again next winter right so that's a real life you know 00:35:06 that's a real life you know 00:35:06 that's a real life you know so the energy doesn't happen because we 00:35:08 so the energy doesn't happen because we 00:35:08 so the energy doesn't happen because we we got to cut up in red tape and you can 00:35:13 we got to cut up in red tape and you can 00:35:13 we got to cut up in red tape and you can red tape yourself to nothing right so 00:35:16 red tape yourself to nothing right so 00:35:16 red tape yourself to nothing right so you're not making any progress or making 00:35:18 you're not making any progress or making 00:35:18 you're not making any progress or making any difference and so we need to in 00:35:21 any difference and so we need to in 00:35:21 any difference and so we need to in acquisition in defending our country and 00:35:25 acquisition in defending our country and 00:35:25 acquisition in defending our country and all kinds of areas be more adaptable to 00:35:28 all kinds of areas be more adaptable to 00:35:28 all kinds of areas be more adaptable to what's actually happening and what's 00:35:31 what's actually happening and what's 00:35:31 what's actually happening and what's easily predictable to happen not what 00:35:33 easily predictable to happen not what 00:35:33 easily predictable to happen not what history was right the 00:35:36 history was right the 00:35:36 history was right the plan for the past yeah that's basically 00:35:38 plan for the past yeah that's basically 00:35:38 plan for the past yeah that's basically what happens in these cases so and so 00:35:42 what happens in these cases so and so 00:35:42 what happens in these cases so and so you guys are doing some of this stuff 00:35:43 you guys are doing some of this stuff 00:35:43 you guys are doing some of this stuff for the federal government agencies out 00:35:47 for the federal government agencies out 00:35:47 for the federal government agencies out in the the private sector world well how 00:35:50 in the the private sector world well how 00:35:50 in the the private sector world well how does this tie into folks like say I'm 00:35:53 does this tie into folks like say I'm 00:35:53 does this tie into folks like say I'm running a hospital I don't want to have 00:35:54 running a hospital I don't want to have 00:35:54 running a hospital I don't want to have downtime but I also don't want to have 00:35:57 downtime but I also don't want to have 00:35:57 downtime but I also don't want to have security vulnerabilities in my health 00:35:59 security vulnerabilities in my health 00:35:59 security vulnerabilities in my health care systems because these things are 00:36:01 care systems because these things are 00:36:01 care systems because these things are monitoring patients they're containing 00:36:04 monitoring patients they're containing 00:36:04 monitoring patients they're containing patient medical records and other 00:36:06 patient medical records and other 00:36:06 patient medical records and other information how how does what you guys 00:36:09 information how how does what you guys 00:36:09 information how how does what you guys do transition across to the the private 00:36:12 do transition across to the the private 00:36:12 do transition across to the the private sector 00:36:13 sector 00:36:13 sector yeah the that's a really good point the 00:36:19 yeah the that's a really good point the 00:36:19 yeah the that's a really good point the the fixed number of manufacturers in the 00:36:23 the fixed number of manufacturers in the 00:36:23 the fixed number of manufacturers in the world make products that work in 00:36:26 world make products that work in 00:36:26 world make products that work in different environments sometimes there's 00:36:29 different environments sometimes there's 00:36:29 different environments sometimes there's tweaks to in to accommodate a certain 00:36:34 tweaks to in to accommodate a certain 00:36:34 tweaks to in to accommodate a certain community if you will but when you when 00:36:39 community if you will but when you when 00:36:39 community if you will but when you when you bear it back down it's basically the 00:36:41 you bear it back down it's basically the 00:36:41 you bear it back down it's basically the same stuff so the things we do for the 00:36:45 same stuff so the things we do for the 00:36:45 same stuff so the things we do for the federal government also apply anywhere 00:36:50 federal government also apply anywhere 00:36:50 federal government also apply anywhere anywhere there's a need for a networking 00:36:52 anywhere there's a need for a networking 00:36:52 anywhere there's a need for a networking right tcp/ip doesn't change just because 00:36:57 right tcp/ip doesn't change just because 00:36:57 right tcp/ip doesn't change just because you went to commercial office right so 00:37:01 you went to commercial office right so 00:37:01 you went to commercial office right so the vulnerabilities that exists in those 00:37:04 the vulnerabilities that exists in those 00:37:04 the vulnerabilities that exists in those products also exists in other products 00:37:06 products also exists in other products 00:37:06 products also exists in other products so it becomes more important that we 00:37:08 so it becomes more important that we 00:37:08 so it becomes more important that we share together regardless of what bad 00:37:12 share together regardless of what bad 00:37:12 share together regardless of what bad you're wearing or what name you have on 00:37:14 you're wearing or what name you have on 00:37:14 you're wearing or what name you have on your company if we're not sharing 00:37:16 your company if we're not sharing 00:37:16 your company if we're not sharing together then we're kind of setting 00:37:18 together then we're kind of setting 00:37:18 together then we're kind of setting ourselves up for bad things that happen 00:37:22 ourselves up for bad things that happen 00:37:22 ourselves up for bad things that happen and the more we share and and and 00:37:25 and the more we share and and and 00:37:25 and the more we share and and and collaborate across in verticals markets 00:37:30 collaborate across in verticals markets 00:37:30 collaborate across in verticals markets the better we'll take away the the 00:37:33 the better we'll take away the the 00:37:33 the better we'll take away the the low-hanging fruit from the from the guys 00:37:35 low-hanging fruit from the from the guys 00:37:35 low-hanging fruit from the from the guys who would be out there to service arm 00:37:37 who would be out there to service arm 00:37:37 who would be out there to service arm yeah the bad guys are collaborating by 00:37:40 yeah the bad guys are collaborating by 00:37:40 yeah the bad guys are collaborating by the way they have their own private 00:37:41 the way they have their own private 00:37:41 the way they have their own private communication servers they they use 00:37:44 communication servers they they use 00:37:44 communication servers they they use things called Internet Relay Chat and 00:37:45 things called Internet Relay Chat and 00:37:45 things called Internet Relay Chat and they'll set up their own private dark 00:37:47 they'll set up their own private dark 00:37:47 they'll set up their own private dark web versions of it as a way 00:37:49 web versions of it as a way 00:37:49 web versions of it as a way the tagline for our radio programs from 00:37:51 the tagline for our radio programs from 00:37:51 the tagline for our radio programs from the dark web to your radio dial and the 00:37:53 the dark web to your radio dial and the 00:37:53 the dark web to your radio dial and the dark web is a real thing it's it's where 00:37:55 dark web is a real thing it's it's where 00:37:55 dark web is a real thing it's it's where the bad folks hang out and exchange bad 00:37:58 the bad folks hang out and exchange bad 00:37:58 the bad folks hang out and exchange bad guy information and one of the the 00:38:00 guy information and one of the the 00:38:00 guy information and one of the the guests we've had on cyber talk radio dr. 00:38:03 guests we've had on cyber talk radio dr. 00:38:03 guests we've had on cyber talk radio dr. Greg white over at UTSA is doing some 00:38:06 Greg white over at UTSA is doing some 00:38:06 Greg white over at UTSA is doing some research now and on information sharing 00:38:08 research now and on information sharing 00:38:08 research now and on information sharing organizations so this is something the 00:38:10 organizations so this is something the 00:38:10 organizations so this is something the good guys are working to to get better 00:38:12 good guys are working to to get better 00:38:12 good guys are working to to get better at this and even all the way through to 00:38:14 at this and even all the way through to 00:38:14 at this and even all the way through to some big funded research projects on how 00:38:17 some big funded research projects on how 00:38:17 some big funded research projects on how can you do this at scale how do you have 00:38:19 can you do this at scale how do you have 00:38:19 can you do this at scale how do you have municipalities collaborate with each 00:38:21 municipalities collaborate with each 00:38:21 municipalities collaborate with each other how do you get municipalities 00:38:24 other how do you get municipalities 00:38:24 other how do you get municipalities collaborating with private sector and 00:38:25 collaborating with private sector and 00:38:25 collaborating with private sector and collaborating with the federal 00:38:28 collaborating with the federal 00:38:28 collaborating with the federal government and how do you get 00:38:29 government and how do you get 00:38:29 government and how do you get competitors inside of an industry maybe 00:38:31 competitors inside of an industry maybe 00:38:31 competitors inside of an industry maybe a whole bunch of banks to collaborate 00:38:34 a whole bunch of banks to collaborate 00:38:34 a whole bunch of banks to collaborate with each other because they're all 00:38:34 with each other because they're all 00:38:35 with each other because they're all running a common set of applications and 00:38:36 running a common set of applications and 00:38:36 running a common set of applications and software and while they might compete 00:38:38 software and while they might compete 00:38:38 software and while they might compete for customers none of them wants to get 00:38:40 for customers none of them wants to get 00:38:40 for customers none of them wants to get hacked and if they can limit each 00:38:42 hacked and if they can limit each 00:38:42 hacked and if they can limit each other's exposure it's actually good for 00:38:44 other's exposure it's actually good for 00:38:44 other's exposure it's actually good for all of them like if you never talk to a 00:38:47 all of them like if you never talk to a 00:38:47 all of them like if you never talk to a bank executive that's wishing that one 00:38:49 bank executive that's wishing that one 00:38:49 bank executive that's wishing that one of his competitors gets hacked and all 00:38:50 of his competitors gets hacked and all 00:38:50 of his competitors gets hacked and all their the money or credit cards get 00:38:52 their the money or credit cards get 00:38:52 their the money or credit cards get stolen because that just shatters 00:38:53 stolen because that just shatters 00:38:53 stolen because that just shatters confidence in the whole financial 00:38:55 confidence in the whole financial 00:38:55 confidence in the whole financial industry it's bad for everybody's 00:38:57 industry it's bad for everybody's 00:38:57 industry it's bad for everybody's business exactly there there is a good 00:39:01 business exactly there there is a good 00:39:01 business exactly there there is a good book called the starfish and the spider 00:39:03 book called the starfish and the spider 00:39:03 book called the starfish and the spider I don't know if you've heard of it but 00:39:05 I don't know if you've heard of it but 00:39:05 I don't know if you've heard of it but it basically teaches us that when you 00:39:09 it basically teaches us that when you 00:39:09 it basically teaches us that when you have these command and control 00:39:11 have these command and control 00:39:11 have these command and control hierarchical organizations where there's 00:39:14 hierarchical organizations where there's 00:39:14 hierarchical organizations where there's one person in charge dictating what 00:39:17 one person in charge dictating what 00:39:17 one person in charge dictating what needs to happen then if that if that 00:39:20 needs to happen then if that if that 00:39:20 needs to happen then if that if that gets killed in the whole thing dies and 00:39:24 gets killed in the whole thing dies and 00:39:24 gets killed in the whole thing dies and so the spider in the book the spider 00:39:27 so the spider in the book the spider 00:39:27 so the spider in the book the spider will die if you cut its head off but a 00:39:28 will die if you cut its head off but a 00:39:29 will die if you cut its head off but a starfish you can cut any of its arms off 00:39:31 starfish you can cut any of its arms off 00:39:31 starfish you can cut any of its arms off it'll grow back yeah it's so taking that 00:39:35 it'll grow back yeah it's so taking that 00:39:35 it'll grow back yeah it's so taking that mentality and applying it to an effort 00:39:38 mentality and applying it to an effort 00:39:38 mentality and applying it to an effort where there's not somebody in charge and 00:39:41 where there's not somebody in charge and 00:39:41 where there's not somebody in charge and having to make the rules 00:39:43 having to make the rules 00:39:43 having to make the rules you'll see the power of that and a sort 00:39:45 you'll see the power of that and a sort 00:39:45 you'll see the power of that and a sort of open source thinking and it happened 00:39:48 of open source thinking and it happened 00:39:48 of open source thinking and it happened when the Spaniards took out the Incas 00:39:52 when the Spaniards took out the Incas 00:39:52 when the Spaniards took out the Incas way back they just say take me to your 00:39:54 way back they just say take me to your 00:39:54 way back they just say take me to your leader and they did and so they killed 00:39:56 leader and they did and so they killed 00:39:56 leader and they did and so they killed them and then their whole civilization 00:39:57 them and then their whole civilization 00:39:57 them and then their whole civilization died often so they did that twice it 00:40:00 died often so they did that twice it 00:40:00 died often so they did that twice it didn't work when they tried it with the 00:40:01 didn't work when they tried it with the 00:40:01 didn't work when they tried it with the Apaches 00:40:02 Apaches 00:40:02 Apaches the reason why there was no one person 00:40:05 the reason why there was no one person 00:40:05 the reason why there was no one person in charge they're sort of a nomadic 00:40:06 in charge they're sort of a nomadic 00:40:06 in charge they're sort of a nomadic group of guys just hanging out you know 00:40:09 group of guys just hanging out you know 00:40:09 group of guys just hanging out you know making their way through life and when 00:40:12 making their way through life and when 00:40:12 making their way through life and when we've seen that in technology where 00:40:14 we've seen that in technology where 00:40:14 we've seen that in technology where we're doing free sharing peer-to-peer 00:40:17 we're doing free sharing peer-to-peer 00:40:17 we're doing free sharing peer-to-peer you know open thinking the growth of our 00:40:23 you know open thinking the growth of our 00:40:23 you know open thinking the growth of our capabilities happens better yeah right 00:40:26 capabilities happens better yeah right 00:40:26 capabilities happens better yeah right so that happens when you share we've got 00:40:30 so that happens when you share we've got 00:40:30 so that happens when you share we've got in our listening audience so a number of 00:40:33 in our listening audience so a number of 00:40:33 in our listening audience so a number of kids out there that might be a cyber 00:40:35 kids out there that might be a cyber 00:40:35 kids out there that might be a cyber patriot team some adults that are maybe 00:40:39 patriot team some adults that are maybe 00:40:39 patriot team some adults that are maybe going to open cloud Academy now or going 00:40:43 going to open cloud Academy now or going 00:40:43 going to open cloud Academy now or going through some cyber security training 00:40:44 through some cyber security training 00:40:44 through some cyber security training somewhere else lurking to get into this 00:40:47 somewhere else lurking to get into this 00:40:47 somewhere else lurking to get into this industry maybe there are Alamo colleges 00:40:48 industry maybe there are Alamo colleges 00:40:48 industry maybe there are Alamo colleges right now and working on one of the 00:40:50 right now and working on one of the 00:40:50 right now and working on one of the cyber security programs there or one of 00:40:51 cyber security programs there or one of 00:40:51 cyber security programs there or one of our universities in the area so for 00:40:54 our universities in the area so for 00:40:54 our universities in the area so for those that are up and coming looking to 00:40:55 those that are up and coming looking to 00:40:55 those that are up and coming looking to learn and get into cyber security to 00:40:58 learn and get into cyber security to 00:40:58 learn and get into cyber security to either help on the private sector side 00:41:02 either help on the private sector side 00:41:02 either help on the private sector side there if they want to get into serving 00:41:03 there if they want to get into serving 00:41:03 there if they want to get into serving the government maybe as a contractor or 00:41:06 the government maybe as a contractor or 00:41:06 the government maybe as a contractor or maybe a real quick if you are listening 00:41:09 maybe a real quick if you are listening 00:41:09 maybe a real quick if you are listening out there and you do want to enlist we 00:41:11 out there and you do want to enlist we 00:41:11 out there and you do want to enlist we had a tech sergeant I am a baker on is 00:41:13 had a tech sergeant I am a baker on is 00:41:13 had a tech sergeant I am a baker on is the cyber security recruiter for the US 00:41:15 the cyber security recruiter for the US 00:41:15 the cyber security recruiter for the US Air Force you can listen to her episode 00:41:18 Air Force you can listen to her episode 00:41:18 Air Force you can listen to her episode on our podcast on iTunes or pocket casts 00:41:22 on our podcast on iTunes or pocket casts 00:41:22 on our podcast on iTunes or pocket casts or on our website at www.nyhabitat.com 00:41:25 or on our website at www.nyhabitat.com 00:41:25 or on our website at www.nyhabitat.com but she talks all about programs the Air 00:41:27 but she talks all about programs the Air 00:41:27 but she talks all about programs the Air Force has for people that want to get 00:41:28 Force has for people that want to get 00:41:28 Force has for people that want to get directly and then go do cyber as a 00:41:29 directly and then go do cyber as a 00:41:29 directly and then go do cyber as a enlisted or officer or personnel and so 00:41:33 enlisted or officer or personnel and so 00:41:33 enlisted or officer or personnel and so if out there for folks that are looking 00:41:35 if out there for folks that are looking 00:41:35 if out there for folks that are looking to get into this stuff Jeff what would 00:41:38 to get into this stuff Jeff what would 00:41:38 to get into this stuff Jeff what would you recommend to them to learn to study 00:41:41 you recommend to them to learn to study 00:41:41 you recommend to them to learn to study to do in order to be able to be 00:41:43 to do in order to be able to be 00:41:43 to do in order to be able to be successful in the cyber world that's a 00:41:47 successful in the cyber world that's a 00:41:47 successful in the cyber world that's a great question in fact it leads me to 00:41:50 great question in fact it leads me to 00:41:50 great question in fact it leads me to sort of our stated per our mission areas 00:41:54 sort of our stated per our mission areas 00:41:54 sort of our stated per our mission areas our mission area is to protect 00:41:57 our mission area is to protect 00:41:57 our mission area is to protect prosperity by helping to identify pursue 00:42:00 prosperity by helping to identify pursue 00:42:00 prosperity by helping to identify pursue and defeat cyber threats and the 00:42:01 and defeat cyber threats and the 00:42:01 and defeat cyber threats and the prosperity of the nation is based on 00:42:03 prosperity of the nation is based on 00:42:04 prosperity of the nation is based on eight factors and within those eight 00:42:08 eight factors and within those eight 00:42:08 eight factors and within those eight factors you know you have personal 00:42:10 factors you know you have personal 00:42:10 factors you know you have personal freedoms you have entrepreneurship you 00:42:12 freedoms you have entrepreneurship you 00:42:12 freedoms you have entrepreneurship you have security you have all these 00:42:15 have security you have all these 00:42:15 have security you have all these different 00:42:16 different 00:42:16 different sub-elements of a prosperous nation yeah 00:42:19 sub-elements of a prosperous nation yeah 00:42:19 sub-elements of a prosperous nation yeah and I would first find out which one of 00:42:22 and I would first find out which one of 00:42:22 and I would first find out which one of those you might want to be in because 00:42:23 those you might want to be in because 00:42:23 those you might want to be in because there's cyber related things in each one 00:42:27 there's cyber related things in each one 00:42:27 there's cyber related things in each one we believe that and so getting smart on 00:42:32 we believe that and so getting smart on 00:42:32 we believe that and so getting smart on how what you want to achieve in life 00:42:37 how what you want to achieve in life 00:42:37 how what you want to achieve in life correlates to a specific thing so for 00:42:41 correlates to a specific thing so for 00:42:41 correlates to a specific thing so for example if you want if you have a heart 00:42:43 example if you want if you have a heart 00:42:43 example if you want if you have a heart for wanting to make food safe yeah well 00:42:47 for wanting to make food safe yeah well 00:42:47 for wanting to make food safe yeah well there's potential issues cyber related 00:42:50 there's potential issues cyber related 00:42:50 there's potential issues cyber related issues that could impact a food source 00:42:52 issues that could impact a food source 00:42:52 issues that could impact a food source right or the water system or the 00:42:55 right or the water system or the 00:42:55 right or the water system or the electronic grid so whatever you know you 00:42:58 electronic grid so whatever you know you 00:42:58 electronic grid so whatever you know you may have a an inclination to go towards 00:43:01 may have a an inclination to go towards 00:43:01 may have a an inclination to go towards a certain topic area if if cyber is what 00:43:04 a certain topic area if if cyber is what 00:43:04 a certain topic area if if cyber is what you want to get into or you think you 00:43:06 you want to get into or you think you 00:43:06 you want to get into or you think you want to get into it applies to probably 00:43:10 want to get into it applies to probably 00:43:10 want to get into it applies to probably everything whether it's a hospital you 00:43:13 everything whether it's a hospital you 00:43:13 everything whether it's a hospital you know a food store a bank just about 00:43:16 know a food store a bank just about 00:43:16 know a food store a bank just about anywhere needs some element of this 00:43:20 anywhere needs some element of this 00:43:20 anywhere needs some element of this understanding because the bad things 00:43:23 understanding because the bad things 00:43:23 understanding because the bad things that can happen to our citizens will 00:43:27 that can happen to our citizens will 00:43:27 that can happen to our citizens will happen if we're not having somebody to 00:43:30 happen if we're not having somebody to 00:43:30 happen if we're not having somebody to be watchful and monitoring the things 00:43:33 be watchful and monitoring the things 00:43:33 be watchful and monitoring the things that are coming in and out of that yeah 00:43:35 that are coming in and out of that yeah 00:43:35 that are coming in and out of that yeah I mean for sure no I mean as I'm sitting 00:43:37 I mean for sure no I mean as I'm sitting 00:43:37 I mean for sure no I mean as I'm sitting here listening i if you want everyone to 00:43:41 here listening i if you want everyone to 00:43:41 here listening i if you want everyone to have reliable electricity so that we can 00:43:44 have reliable electricity so that we can 00:43:44 have reliable electricity so that we can air-conditioned houses when it's hot so 00:43:46 air-conditioned houses when it's hot so 00:43:46 air-conditioned houses when it's hot so no one gets heatstroke if all those 00:43:47 no one gets heatstroke if all those 00:43:47 no one gets heatstroke if all those things please go apply for a cyber 00:43:49 things please go apply for a cyber 00:43:49 things please go apply for a cyber security job at CPS I'm sorry they don't 00:43:51 security job at CPS I'm sorry they don't 00:43:51 security job at CPS I'm sorry they don't have one posted right now if you showed 00:43:53 have one posted right now if you showed 00:43:53 have one posted right now if you showed up and said you're amazing they may be 00:43:54 up and said you're amazing they may be 00:43:54 up and said you're amazing they may be able to figure out how to hire you there 00:43:56 able to figure out how to hire you there 00:43:56 able to figure out how to hire you there even but going through all of these 00:43:58 even but going through all of these 00:43:58 even but going through all of these different things or at a hospital same 00:43:59 different things or at a hospital same 00:43:59 different things or at a hospital same thing it's like I mean there's equipment 00:44:01 thing it's like I mean there's equipment 00:44:01 thing it's like I mean there's equipment there that's got bluetooth and got lots 00:44:03 there that's got bluetooth and got lots 00:44:03 there that's got bluetooth and got lots of cyber risks inside every hospital 00:44:07 of cyber risks inside every hospital 00:44:07 of cyber risks inside every hospital it's one that you start to talk to the 00:44:10 it's one that you start to talk to the 00:44:10 it's one that you start to talk to the hospital information technology staff 00:44:12 hospital information technology staff 00:44:12 hospital information technology staff today with all of these things coming 00:44:15 today with all of these things coming 00:44:15 today with all of these things coming online in via tcp/ip via wireless 00:44:18 online in via tcp/ip via wireless 00:44:18 online in via tcp/ip via wireless protocols via bluetooth via other things 00:44:20 protocols via bluetooth via other things 00:44:20 protocols via bluetooth via other things there's a lot of stuff they're worried 00:44:22 there's a lot of stuff they're worried 00:44:22 there's a lot of stuff they're worried about that they've got to do to keep 00:44:23 about that they've got to do to keep 00:44:23 about that they've got to do to keep patients safe but the the trade-offs of 00:44:26 patients safe but the the trade-offs of 00:44:26 patients safe but the the trade-offs of some cyber risk there versus improve 00:44:28 some cyber risk there versus improve 00:44:28 some cyber risk there versus improve speed of patient care 00:44:30 speed of patient care 00:44:30 speed of patient care and they're saving lives by adding this 00:44:32 and they're saving lives by adding this 00:44:32 and they're saving lives by adding this technology but still doesn't mean that 00:44:34 technology but still doesn't mean that 00:44:34 technology but still doesn't mean that adding the technology is risk-free 00:44:35 adding the technology is risk-free 00:44:35 adding the technology is risk-free you're listening to 1200 W AI this is 00:44:38 you're listening to 1200 W AI this is 00:44:38 you're listening to 1200 W AI this is cyber talk radio and I'm joined this 00:44:40 cyber talk radio and I'm joined this 00:44:41 cyber talk radio and I'm joined this week by Jeff Jaime the CEO of torreón a 00:44:44 week by Jeff Jaime the CEO of torreón a 00:44:44 week by Jeff Jaime the CEO of torreón a cyber security company headquartered in 00:44:46 cyber security company headquartered in 00:44:46 cyber security company headquartered in Boerne Texas just up the northwest side 00:44:48 Boerne Texas just up the northwest side 00:44:48 Boerne Texas just up the northwest side of San Antonio may be home to the newest 00:44:51 of San Antonio may be home to the newest 00:44:51 of San Antonio may be home to the newest Bucky's coming soon but maybe some of 00:44:52 Bucky's coming soon but maybe some of 00:44:52 Bucky's coming soon but maybe some of the people in Burnie may not be so happy 00:44:54 the people in Burnie may not be so happy 00:44:54 the people in Burnie may not be so happy about that yeah well welcome to growth 00:44:56 about that yeah well welcome to growth 00:44:56 about that yeah well welcome to growth and prosperity new things are gonna get 00:44:58 and prosperity new things are gonna get 00:44:58 and prosperity new things are gonna get built so it's talking about new things 00:45:00 built so it's talking about new things 00:45:00 built so it's talking about new things so some of the stuff you guys are 00:45:02 so some of the stuff you guys are 00:45:02 so some of the stuff you guys are working on or providing out there it's 00:45:04 working on or providing out there it's 00:45:04 working on or providing out there it's like we were talking about these 00:45:05 like we were talking about these 00:45:05 like we were talking about these healthcare risks and thinking about how 00:45:09 healthcare risks and thinking about how 00:45:09 healthcare risks and thinking about how do you secure this different stuff so 00:45:11 do you secure this different stuff so 00:45:11 do you secure this different stuff so you guys are working on or maybe you 00:45:13 you guys are working on or maybe you 00:45:13 you guys are working on or maybe you have some stuff there now about 00:45:14 have some stuff there now about 00:45:14 have some stuff there now about location-based dynamic access control so 00:45:17 location-based dynamic access control so 00:45:17 location-based dynamic access control so go explain that to our audience here 00:45:19 go explain that to our audience here 00:45:19 go explain that to our audience here yeah I I really feel this is going to be 00:45:22 yeah I I really feel this is going to be 00:45:22 yeah I I really feel this is going to be a prominent concept we'll see it show up 00:45:27 a prominent concept we'll see it show up 00:45:27 a prominent concept we'll see it show up in different ways just like when they 00:45:30 in different ways just like when they 00:45:30 in different ways just like when they vented the car the first time now we 00:45:32 vented the car the first time now we 00:45:32 vented the car the first time now we have a variety of them but they 00:45:34 have a variety of them but they 00:45:34 have a variety of them but they basically take you from point A to B 00:45:36 basically take you from point A to B 00:45:36 basically take you from point A to B right so what I meant by that so access 00:45:40 right so what I meant by that so access 00:45:40 right so what I meant by that so access control sounds like what it says right 00:45:44 control sounds like what it says right 00:45:44 control sounds like what it says right controls access and we have that in 00:45:47 controls access and we have that in 00:45:47 controls access and we have that in technology we have rules that say hey if 00:45:50 technology we have rules that say hey if 00:45:50 technology we have rules that say hey if it's from here block it or if it's from 00:45:53 it's from here block it or if it's from 00:45:53 it's from here block it or if it's from here allow it right we're controlling 00:45:55 here allow it right we're controlling 00:45:55 here allow it right we're controlling access to things be on a network for 00:45:58 access to things be on a network for 00:45:58 access to things be on a network for example dynamic access control is where 00:46:02 example dynamic access control is where 00:46:02 example dynamic access control is where that the word dynamic allows you to vary 00:46:05 that the word dynamic allows you to vary 00:46:05 that the word dynamic allows you to vary right it's conditional it's conditional 00:46:09 right it's conditional it's conditional 00:46:09 right it's conditional it's conditional access control right so maybe in this 00:46:12 access control right so maybe in this 00:46:12 access control right so maybe in this scenario you're you're able to see 00:46:14 scenario you're you're able to see 00:46:14 scenario you're you're able to see certain things but in this scenario 00:46:15 certain things but in this scenario 00:46:15 certain things but in this scenario you're able to see other things so the 00:46:18 you're able to see other things so the 00:46:18 you're able to see other things so the rules change based on the scenario 00:46:20 rules change based on the scenario 00:46:20 rules change based on the scenario location based is what I feel is the new 00:46:24 location based is what I feel is the new 00:46:24 location based is what I feel is the new what we're working on is to require you 00:46:29 what we're working on is to require you 00:46:29 what we're working on is to require you to be physically in a certain location 00:46:34 to be physically in a certain location 00:46:34 to be physically in a certain location before you know something is accessible 00:46:38 before you know something is accessible 00:46:38 before you know something is accessible to you yeah so how do you do that well 00:46:41 to you yeah so how do you do that well 00:46:41 to you yeah so how do you do that well we're we have two pieces 00:46:44 we're we have two pieces 00:46:44 we're we have two pieces we're making a third piece the first 00:46:45 we're making a third piece the first 00:46:45 we're making a third piece the first piece is the biometric piece so we're 00:46:50 piece is the biometric piece so we're 00:46:50 piece is the biometric piece so we're saying we're going to deliver by name 00:46:54 saying we're going to deliver by name 00:46:54 saying we're going to deliver by name attribution we're not an IP number it's 00:46:58 attribution we're not an IP number it's 00:46:58 attribution we're not an IP number it's your name 00:46:58 your name 00:46:58 your name yeah and it's guaranteed 100% that it's 00:47:01 yeah and it's guaranteed 100% that it's 00:47:01 yeah and it's guaranteed 100% that it's you because the biometric device that's 00:47:05 you because the biometric device that's 00:47:05 you because the biometric device that's employed guarantees it's you so we've 00:47:09 employed guarantees it's you so we've 00:47:09 employed guarantees it's you so we've developed this concept called 00:47:11 developed this concept called 00:47:11 developed this concept called biometrically appropriate what's 00:47:14 biometrically appropriate what's 00:47:14 biometrically appropriate what's biometrically appropriate for a hospital 00:47:16 biometrically appropriate for a hospital 00:47:16 biometrically appropriate for a hospital versus a bank right maybe there's a 00:47:20 versus a bank right maybe there's a 00:47:20 versus a bank right maybe there's a top-secret skiff you know military 00:47:22 top-secret skiff you know military 00:47:22 top-secret skiff you know military what's biometrically appropriate for 00:47:25 what's biometrically appropriate for 00:47:25 what's biometrically appropriate for that so whatever that is we'll employ 00:47:27 that so whatever that is we'll employ 00:47:27 that so whatever that is we'll employ that on the other end there's 00:47:29 that on the other end there's 00:47:29 that on the other end there's technologies that very strongly secure 00:47:33 technologies that very strongly secure 00:47:33 technologies that very strongly secure access to things so what we're 00:47:36 access to things so what we're 00:47:36 access to things so what we're developing is the middle piece that says 00:47:39 developing is the middle piece that says 00:47:39 developing is the middle piece that says if Brett's in this room it's Brett Brett 00:47:44 if Brett's in this room it's Brett Brett 00:47:44 if Brett's in this room it's Brett Brett and only Brett yeah let him then see 00:47:47 and only Brett yeah let him then see 00:47:47 and only Brett yeah let him then see this file on this server but if he's not 00:47:52 this file on this server but if he's not 00:47:52 this file on this server but if he's not in that room in that location he will 00:47:55 in that room in that location he will 00:47:55 in that room in that location he will not even know that server exists right 00:47:59 not even know that server exists right 00:47:59 not even know that server exists right so we're marrying your skin and bones 00:48:02 so we're marrying your skin and bones 00:48:02 so we're marrying your skin and bones reality to your proximal location to 00:48:05 reality to your proximal location to 00:48:05 reality to your proximal location to access a network that hasn't been done 00:48:08 access a network that hasn't been done 00:48:08 access a network that hasn't been done yet and so we're making that so I like 00:48:11 yet and so we're making that so I like 00:48:11 yet and so we're making that so I like it yeah I mean is if you think about 00:48:13 it yeah I mean is if you think about 00:48:13 it yeah I mean is if you think about through a whole set of use cases there 00:48:16 through a whole set of use cases there 00:48:16 through a whole set of use cases there the information leakage and control as 00:48:18 the information leakage and control as 00:48:18 the information leakage and control as we go into this mobile connected 00:48:21 we go into this mobile connected 00:48:21 we go into this mobile connected wireless tech Teran public sector are 00:48:26 wireless tech Teran public sector are 00:48:26 wireless tech Teran public sector are very worried about the increased access 00:48:28 very worried about the increased access 00:48:28 very worried about the increased access is important for speed but you've got to 00:48:32 is important for speed but you've got to 00:48:32 is important for speed but you've got to be very thoughtful about different 00:48:33 be very thoughtful about different 00:48:33 be very thoughtful about different classification levels of information and 00:48:35 classification levels of information and 00:48:35 classification levels of information and what's appropriate to view and in those 00:48:37 what's appropriate to view and in those 00:48:37 what's appropriate to view and in those different spots like you may if you're a 00:48:39 different spots like you may if you're a 00:48:39 different spots like you may if you're a hospital not want a doctor on an iPad 00:48:41 hospital not want a doctor on an iPad 00:48:41 hospital not want a doctor on an iPad sitting in a coffee shop with other 00:48:42 sitting in a coffee shop with other 00:48:42 sitting in a coffee shop with other people looking over his shoulder going 00:48:44 people looking over his shoulder going 00:48:44 people looking over his shoulder going through sensitive medical records but it 00:48:46 through sensitive medical records but it 00:48:46 through sensitive medical records but it would be totally okay if the doctor was 00:48:48 would be totally okay if the doctor was 00:48:48 would be totally okay if the doctor was sitting in his office at the hospital 00:48:49 sitting in his office at the hospital 00:48:49 sitting in his office at the hospital right now that's a good segue because 00:48:52 right now that's a good segue because 00:48:52 right now that's a good segue because people asked me when I talk by well what 00:48:55 people asked me when I talk by well what 00:48:55 people asked me when I talk by well what about remote I'm not talking about room 00:48:57 about remote I'm not talking about room 00:48:57 about remote I'm not talking about room access you have that you have that now 00:48:59 access you have that you have that now 00:48:59 access you have that you have that now I'm not talking I'm talking about it's 00:49:01 I'm not talking I'm talking about it's 00:49:01 I'm not talking I'm talking about it's important enough to make sure that human 00:49:04 important enough to make sure that human 00:49:04 important enough to make sure that human being is sitting in a specific geolocate 00:49:07 being is sitting in a specific geolocate 00:49:07 being is sitting in a specific geolocate place before they can even stare at 00:49:09 place before they can even stare at 00:49:09 place before they can even stare at something that's what I'm talking about 00:49:11 something that's what I'm talking about 00:49:11 something that's what I'm talking about and then when people realize that 00:49:14 and then when people realize that 00:49:14 and then when people realize that they're by name attribution is real 00:49:16 they're by name attribution is real 00:49:16 they're by name attribution is real they're less inclined to be nefarious on 00:49:20 they're less inclined to be nefarious on 00:49:20 they're less inclined to be nefarious on the network so the insider threat risk 00:49:24 the network so the insider threat risk 00:49:24 the network so the insider threat risk dramatically draws yeah because they 00:49:26 dramatically draws yeah because they 00:49:26 dramatically draws yeah because they know that the their personal name is 00:49:29 know that the their personal name is 00:49:29 know that the their personal name is being attributed to flows that are being 00:49:31 being attributed to flows that are being 00:49:31 being attributed to flows that are being created by them right so now that 00:49:34 created by them right so now that 00:49:34 created by them right so now that problem starts as a good client yeah so 00:49:37 problem starts as a good client yeah so 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