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00:00:19 welcome to cyber talk radio I'm your
00:00:22 host Brett Pyatt a 20-year internet
00:00:24 security veteran I'm joined this week by
00:00:26 three guests to students at Cass Tech
00:00:30 High School and one member of the
00:00:32 faculty thank you all for joining us
00:00:35 this week and well let the audience
00:00:37 learn a little bit about what Cass Tech
00:00:38 is and I heard at least one of yous
00:00:40 participated in CyberPatriot maybe both
00:00:42 of you the views so there we go so we'll
00:00:45 be talking about cyber Patriot if you
00:00:46 have not listened to cyber talk radio
00:00:48 before we've had on a number of
00:00:51 different guests from the cyber Texas
00:00:53 Foundation and others involved in cyber
00:00:55 patriot you can listen to our
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00:01:05 that website is www.miamikettlebell.com
00:01:36 davis a little bit about me it's about
00:01:40 it yes my name is Andrea
00:01:43 I am from Mexican I've been here like
00:01:45 two years and a couple a couple months
00:01:48 ago I found out about all this I were
00:01:50 security things and it was just pretty
00:01:52 cool and amazing so I decided they'd
00:01:53 come a Cass Tech right now I'm in ninth
00:01:56 grade just like everyone else
00:01:57 in the entire class yeah and Don
00:02:00 howdy I'm Don Davis I'm excited to be
00:02:03 here I love it being part of Cass Tech
00:02:05 it's cutting edge school or partner with
00:02:06 UTSA and lots of awesome industry
00:02:09 partners like jungle disc so it's the
00:02:10 best place and the best students to work
00:02:12 with yeah so if you wanted to learn more
00:02:15 about Cass Tech overall from an
00:02:17 administrative or faculty perspective we
00:02:19 had Melissa kala who's the principal of
00:02:21 Cass Tech on and that one's up on our
00:02:24 website and or on the podcasts as well
00:02:27 if your listen to this live on 1200 W AI
00:02:30 you will be able to listen
00:02:33 this in full on Tuesday March 6th and if
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00:02:44 you know what we can do to get you
00:02:47 listening more often you guys mentioned
00:02:49 cast is a new school so high school you
00:02:52 didn't you didn't just get assigned to
00:02:54 cast it's not like you've lived in this
00:02:56 neighborhood and then all of a sudden
00:02:57 you're like my high school's cast tech
00:02:59 this is what it is so what made you
00:03:01 decide to apply and to see if you could
00:03:05 go to Cass Tech they said they were
00:03:07 different like it's not your traditional
00:03:10 High School where you go see your eight
00:03:11 classes and a desk and like a student
00:03:14 room and all that no it's a way
00:03:17 different we have like multiple like so
00:03:19 at teachers that actually like know
00:03:21 their craft which is like teaching like
00:03:23 computer science thing he's been
00:03:24 teaching beer science forever our
00:03:26 digital art teacher she's been doing a
00:03:28 great job our business teacher he's been
00:03:31 teaching business and he has like
00:03:33 multiple businesses from this past so
00:03:35 like they know what they're doing rather
00:03:37 than like a past school yeah so the
00:03:39 reason I was here is I am here it's
00:03:41 because um my dad was kind of related
00:03:45 into all this stuff he he used to have a
00:03:47 business and it was actually based on
00:03:49 cybersecurity and so I really liked what
00:03:51 he used to have and I would like to have
00:03:53 something like that so as a freshman I
00:03:57 understand y'all have taken physics yeah
00:03:59 that's crazy it's an 11th grade course
00:04:01 yeah so that didn't scare you away
00:04:03 though yeah more than that so this is I
00:04:09 like the the can-do attitude so going
00:04:12 through in school here so your school
00:04:14 right now is only freshman so your
00:04:17 school is I have the conversation with
00:04:19 your principal as well it's a it's a
00:04:20 startup and a school all at the same
00:04:22 time like this startups are that your
00:04:24 goal is to kind of grow and double every
00:04:26 year in size and you guys are gonna
00:04:28 double next fall there'll be a class of
00:04:30 freshmen and then they'll be all is the
00:04:32 sophomores on campus next year as you
00:04:36 kind of think through finishing up this
00:04:37 year and think about the school doubling
00:04:39 in size next year what gets you excited
00:04:41 about that I'm just the new people are
00:04:44 there
00:04:45 we we get to teach them and and we get
00:04:48 to learn a lot from them too just by
00:04:50 helping them out the different mindsets
00:04:52 of people that come in like at the
00:04:54 beginning everyone had the I'm gonna be
00:04:55 a hacker I'm gonna be the best video
00:04:57 game designer but then towards the end
00:04:58 everyone's like you know what maybe I
00:05:01 should like focus on JavaScript before I
00:05:03 think about making call of duty yeah
00:05:07 sometime they they know what they want
00:05:10 and weren't specific so do you have a
00:05:14 favorite programming language at this
00:05:15 point I'm only learning Lee lobe a
00:05:18 JavaScript script yeah both of you yeah
00:05:21 have a great teacher that's good I like
00:05:24 that you guys are teaching JavaScript by
00:05:25 the way as well so dr. Davis good on you
00:05:28 for getting them into a language that is
00:05:30 both I think easy to learn and useful
00:05:34 we're using processing a lot to know
00:05:36 during class time it's like the beginner
00:05:39 it's for beginners learning taste and
00:05:42 then as you guys are going through so
00:05:45 you did you know about CyberPatriot
00:05:48 before you went to cast a curse that's
00:05:50 something you found out that it existed
00:05:52 yes Tech I would have never known if it
00:05:55 wasn't because of plastic no clue yeah
00:05:57 so wasn't you you were on you weren't on
00:05:59 a CyberPatriot team in middle school
00:06:00 because there's some of the middle
00:06:01 schools in San Antonio that have
00:06:02 CyberPatriot programs that is that is
00:06:05 insane because like sometimes I'll give
00:06:07 like a tour of the school to like
00:06:08 students I like want to come next year
00:06:09 yeah one of them was like yeah I'm in
00:06:12 eighth grade right now and I've been
00:06:13 doing it since about six criterion in
00:06:15 CyberPatriot Wow crazy
00:06:19 it's very important to start from middle
00:06:20 school because that's when you start
00:06:22 noticing what you want to do and then in
00:06:24 high school you can start focusing oh
00:06:25 it's it's interesting to see so if
00:06:28 parents if you're listening out there
00:06:29 and your your schools that your kids are
00:06:32 going to are spending all their money on
00:06:33 their football team they should be
00:06:34 spending some money on the CyberPatriot
00:06:35 team as well so this is a team sports
00:06:38 for cybersecurity we have a CyberPatriot
00:06:41 pep rally I like it yeah we don't have a
00:06:46 football team and we have our
00:06:47 CyberPatriot team we celebrate them have
00:06:49 a pep rally with behind Pizza now what
00:06:51 Andrea was saying is 102 percent truth
00:06:53 you look at the research what students
00:06:56 decide to do in their middle school
00:06:57 years is most
00:06:58 of what they do later so yeah if you
00:07:01 want your kids to earn money make sure
00:07:03 they're in CyberPatriot and it's like
00:07:05 really bad because I came from like a
00:07:06 like a middle school that like that like
00:07:09 nothing to his career like it was the
00:07:11 point of it was to get you to go to high
00:07:13 school like it wasn't like career
00:07:15 focused it was like dude you need to
00:07:16 graduate yeah and I mean like if I would
00:07:20 had someone that like said hey there's
00:07:22 got a computer science passed away hey
00:07:23 there's like look at like art like do
00:07:25 something with your life instead of just
00:07:27 like hey you need to do this course
00:07:29 because you need to go to high school
00:07:31 like no one ever thought about what's
00:07:33 gonna go on behind high school door it's
00:07:36 just we get exposed a lot in this school
00:07:38 like right now we're in here or we get a
00:07:41 lot of speaker as we get tours around
00:07:44 places we get shut jump shadowing and so
00:07:46 I that's that's a great thing about Cass
00:07:49 Tech we get exposed a lot more than any
00:07:51 other high school yeah and not scary
00:07:54 though so like that were you on the Job
00:07:56 Shadow day did you go out for it to usaa
00:07:59 or down here to geekdom or didn't one of
00:08:01 these locations a couple of weeks ago
00:08:03 now we both came in here yeah we we had
00:08:06 a tour around this place and so is it
00:08:09 intimidating to go out on these job
00:08:10 shadowing days or is it exciting what's
00:08:12 how are you feeling when you're getting
00:08:15 ready to go on one of those kind of both
00:08:17 it's exciting but intimidating and then
00:08:19 you start getting confidence you start
00:08:21 seeing that everyone's just like you
00:08:24 they're kind of geek and they're just
00:08:26 adults see it's future you so you get
00:08:29 that confidence yeah whenever like I see
00:08:31 like someone like see I see like James I
00:08:33 see you I see myself doing what they can
00:08:36 do and if I can see myself doing what
00:08:38 they can do I'll feel passionate now
00:08:39 like every time like I fail or like I do
00:08:42 something wrong you're like again an
00:08:44 error or something comes up I just think
00:08:46 of like that moment like hey look at
00:08:48 that dude like at that moment yeah we've
00:08:51 all written bad code we will all write
00:08:53 more bad code the goal is not to write
00:08:56 bad code but sometimes it just doesn't
00:08:58 end up working the way you want it to
00:09:00 work then the good news with software is
00:09:03 you can make another copy and quickly
00:09:05 change and try again Wood Shop which
00:09:08 y'all probably don't have anymore we
00:09:09 head back in school if you you're
00:09:10 working on something in woodshop and you
00:09:12 that's up to you have to start over if I
00:09:14 go get another block of wood and start
00:09:16 over it's a lot more complicated than it
00:09:17 was with with source code we have
00:09:19 makerspace too so like you can enjoy
00:09:21 like whatever you're into like you can
00:09:22 do like you would shop in there you can
00:09:24 build duct-tape wallet do whatever you
00:09:26 want to do in there yeah we started with
00:09:27 makerspace a couple of months ago it's
00:09:29 still new and we also we're trying to
00:09:32 have the mouse squat that would just
00:09:34 help out with any any problems that they
00:09:36 have in computers if there's a problem
00:09:38 then they'll just cut someone they'll
00:09:40 call someone from our squad yeah I like
00:09:43 that idea is your own helpdesk we do
00:09:45 that here so that that uh my company
00:09:48 there's no IT support helpdesk everyone
00:09:51 is there their own IT team yeah we even
00:09:54 allow like folks get to buy their own
00:09:56 computers they get to pick whatever they
00:09:58 want here at the office so no one can
00:10:01 complain that as the boss I picked a bad
00:10:04 computer for them pick your own yeah you
00:10:06 get to choose your own and if you don't
00:10:07 like it it's on you
00:10:10 and so as you guys are going through
00:10:13 learning all the stuff this year so
00:10:16 you're you're doing physics you're doing
00:10:18 some business classes as well principles
00:10:21 of business principles of business so as
00:10:25 you go back and forth between technology
00:10:27 class and a business class and maybe
00:10:29 just a a regular science class like
00:10:32 physics are it wet cast are they
00:10:35 involving technology across all three of
00:10:37 those or is physics are you just doing
00:10:39 physics problems mechanics on paper or
00:10:44 using computers in all of your different
00:10:45 classes all right this is an example I
00:10:47 think it was like two three weeks ago we
00:10:49 did a Nearpod Nearpod is everyone has a
00:10:52 Chromebook all right at our school so
00:10:53 like you have your Chromebook and then
00:10:55 the teacher makes a Nearpod which is
00:10:57 like a slide like it's like on Google
00:10:58 slides but interactive with the students
00:11:01 so like we did wine which was would it
00:11:05 show me a picture of force equals mass
00:11:07 times acceleration using a ball and then
00:11:09 you could draw it on the Chromebook
00:11:10 using the touchscreen and then he he
00:11:13 grades it on the on his like phone or on
00:11:15 his tablet yeah done anything like that
00:11:18 in computer science
00:11:19 yeah and processing we've been using a
00:11:22 lot of equations for for physics just as
00:11:24 good
00:11:24 start it like return for I got ya or we
00:11:28 have actually technology pretty much
00:11:29 everywhere and things like PE we just we
00:11:33 use a lot of social media and there we
00:11:35 exercise and we post things and that
00:11:38 exposes to a lot of other stuff we're
00:11:40 probably the only PE class in the whole
00:11:42 country that has us Chromebooks and
00:11:45 iPads in a PE class yeah that is insane
00:11:50 no but I so it's it's interesting where
00:11:52 you have technology threaded all the way
00:11:55 across your whole school day and that's
00:11:58 the way it is for us out in the working
00:12:00 environment now it's not that if I'm
00:12:03 working on business metrics for the
00:12:06 company I'm doing that on a computer I'm
00:12:08 not like getting out a slide rule or I'm
00:12:11 Hawking calculator anymore either like
00:12:13 my computer has all this stuff built
00:12:14 into it if I'm working on building new
00:12:16 software for our customers I'm obviously
00:12:18 doing that on the computer if we're
00:12:20 working on a marketing campaign we're
00:12:22 doing that on a computer like even if
00:12:24 we're gonna print up a physical piece of
00:12:26 collateral it still is gonna it's gonna
00:12:27 start and get design on the computer so
00:12:29 technologies across everywhere inside of
00:12:33 business these days so it's great to
00:12:34 hear you guys are getting exposed to
00:12:36 technology across everything in all of
00:12:39 your different courses in school as well
00:12:41 we actually combine everything with
00:12:44 digital art to like there's Spanish
00:12:46 things we've done and we just create our
00:12:49 coloring books so technology just not
00:12:50 just the computer science part we use a
00:12:52 lot of digital art stuff in every other
00:12:55 class yeah so you mentioned the coloring
00:12:57 books so this is one of the other things
00:12:59 that I've heard about cast and they've
00:13:01 been involved with it is you guys do
00:13:04 projects that actually go out into the
00:13:06 real world even as freshmen yeah we
00:13:07 don't do like useless school projects
00:13:09 like don't help anyone except for your
00:13:11 brain or your parents put my poster on
00:13:16 the wall mom yeah yeah we'd like to do
00:13:18 PBL stuff so this year with the coloring
00:13:22 books we we got to help people from the
00:13:25 hospital the down at Zona Rosa they got
00:13:28 a Child Life Specialist group it's like
00:13:30 a group of twenty there's like one guy I
00:13:32 think but they're like great people so
00:13:35 like me and Andre I went down there with
00:13:37 our digital art teacher one morning
00:13:38 and we had like a sit-down with a couple
00:13:40 of them or knows the main one and she
00:13:43 was like okay this is this is what we
00:13:46 have a problem was like we have a hard
00:13:48 time like calming kids down and stuff
00:13:50 because like they're crying cuz they're
00:13:51 in pain and stuff so like through art
00:13:54 therapy so a coloring book it just like
00:13:56 calms a kid yeah we get to know a lot
00:13:59 about what people need like Hispanic
00:14:02 people they don't usually get the books
00:14:05 that they need they there's everything
00:14:07 in English but it's kind of hard to find
00:14:08 to find something for them so you you
00:14:11 start seeing what people need and you
00:14:13 can you can start preparing yourself to
00:14:14 help them out in the future yeah and I
00:14:16 like as a freshman you just said PBL
00:14:19 like you've been teaching for years and
00:14:22 so that's project-based learning for the
00:14:25 folks that are not in the education
00:14:26 community are apparently not freshmen at
00:14:28 Cass Tech but if you're a freshman at
00:14:29 Cass Tech you know what project-based
00:14:30 learning is and this is it's not the way
00:14:32 that we did projects at least I did as a
00:14:34 kid where you would learn all these
00:14:36 abstract concepts and you would wonder
00:14:38 why you're learning them and then at the
00:14:40 end of the quarter or the semester your
00:14:42 teacher would go in now that you've
00:14:44 learned all these things and again
00:14:45 you're thinking of the back of your head
00:14:48 that you're gonna have to put this
00:14:50 project to put it together and now
00:14:52 you're going back through all of the the
00:14:53 requirements for that last quarter or
00:14:56 that last semester trying to figure out
00:14:57 what they were so you can actually get
00:14:58 the project done yeah it's a not as good
00:15:02 of a way to learn as getting assigned to
00:15:04 project just like we do out at work like
00:15:06 we we're gonna do a marketing campaign
00:15:09 and let's say that we were gonna send a
00:15:11 direct mail marketing campaign to
00:15:15 doctors in San Antonio like the team
00:15:18 that's gonna do that even if they've
00:15:20 done it before
00:15:20 we're they're gonna do some things
00:15:21 different this time they're gonna
00:15:22 incorporate some new ideas and new
00:15:24 skills and new things they're gonna have
00:15:25 to go learn so and they're gonna go out
00:15:27 and talk with a potential customer so
00:15:31 they might go find a doctor go interview
00:15:33 them find out what would we need to send
00:15:35 you in order to have you open it and
00:15:38 have you call us back and have you
00:15:39 consider our technology so just the way
00:15:42 you went out and talked to the folks at
00:15:44 the Children's Hospital there to learn
00:15:46 what do they need to help the the
00:15:48 patients and the families that are
00:15:49 visiting them improve their day and you
00:15:52 guys came up
00:15:52 solution for that and ship those
00:15:54 coloring books over I think if you go
00:15:56 look at the cast tech Twitter feed
00:15:58 you'll be able to see some information
00:16:00 about those coloring books so you can
00:16:02 check out Cass Tech High School on
00:16:03 Twitter we're releasing a digital PDF
00:16:05 copy on the sei Zee website that will
00:16:08 soon be out okay
00:16:09 so we'll be able to look that up there
00:16:12 as well and if you come check out the
00:16:15 blog post for cyber talk-radio we'll get
00:16:17 a link to that coloring book into the
00:16:18 blog post as well if you're just joining
00:16:21 us now you're listening to 1200 W AI
00:16:24 this is cyber talk radio and I'm joined
00:16:27 this week by a couple of students and
00:16:29 one of the members of the faculty from
00:16:30 Cass Tech High School an innovative
00:16:34 computer science and business and
00:16:37 entrepreneurship focused high school in
00:16:38 San Antonio it's in downtown part of
00:16:43 SAISD and it's this year a start-up with
00:16:47 a hundred and fifty or so freshmen and
00:16:49 they're gonna double the size of the
00:16:51 school next year and Don does that mean
00:16:54 they're also gonna double the size of
00:16:55 your department yes actually so double
00:16:58 the size of the department I think I
00:17:01 find that kind of exciting and
00:17:02 interesting the way you put it I was
00:17:04 just thinking of that so we will be
00:17:05 doubling faculty total but I'm the
00:17:08 computer science teacher but I'm also
00:17:09 the cyber security teacher so we'll be
00:17:11 doing principles of information
00:17:13 technology cyber security class and then
00:17:15 we'll continue the computer science
00:17:16 class but what's interesting about that
00:17:18 is digital media we want to actually pay
00:17:21 attention to what the industry needs so
00:17:23 we say computer science focus there are
00:17:25 a lot of schools in San Antonio that
00:17:26 offer computer science but we're really
00:17:28 gearing towards what the IT industry
00:17:30 here in San Antonio needs so free we
00:17:32 were one of the first official Red Hat
00:17:34 partners in Texas so we want to get our
00:17:36 students red hat certified and so the
00:17:38 people were looking at adding we're
00:17:40 looking at adding not just an animation
00:17:42 teacher but an animation teach you who
00:17:44 understands how to incorporate that in
00:17:46 UI and UX and who knows networking so
00:17:49 yeah I'm really excited for two more
00:17:51 computer science teachers yeah so if you
00:17:54 were thinking about teaching at a new
00:17:57 high school next year changing high
00:17:59 schools you may be able to go on the
00:18:01 SAISD website and see some jobs posted
00:18:04 there right now
00:18:05 if you're listening to this long after
00:18:08 in the future on our podcast replay
00:18:11 because once things go on the internet
00:18:12 they live there forever
00:18:13 you may have missed your chance to
00:18:15 interview and become part of that second
00:18:19 year faculty but the school is going to
00:18:21 continue to grow and continue to have
00:18:23 faculty for a few more years I do get
00:18:26 the feeling though is a after the school
00:18:27 fills up and you've you've got the full
00:18:30 four years of of kids on campus and
00:18:32 you've got a full faculty I think the
00:18:35 turnover is going to be pretty low on
00:18:36 that faculty side so if you'd like to be
00:18:38 part of that cast tech faculty now is
00:18:41 your time to jump on the opportunity and
00:18:43 get involved as we are a cybersecurity
00:18:45 radio program here and this was your
00:18:47 first season's for both of you in
00:18:49 CyberPatriot were you on the same team
00:18:52 because a cast tech I heard feel had a
00:18:54 few teams you filled it yeah so we have
00:18:57 we're both team leaders and I'm the team
00:19:00 leader for my CyberPatriot team and
00:19:02 we're all girls their team it's the one
00:19:05 that has the most people and we both
00:19:08 learned a lot of things from there with
00:19:10 the virtual machines and just
00:19:12 experimenting a little yeah so I have um
00:19:14 so it's my team was Kevin Castillo no
00:19:19 the friend Potter Luke Luke Anderson and
00:19:24 was sorry oh I'm sorry oh yeah him he's
00:19:30 like we have a he's a Googler he like
00:19:32 Google stuff for us and stuff and then
00:19:35 we're like in the dark in the corner you
00:19:36 know like it's like here and we're just
00:19:38 like touch us you know get omed yeah we
00:19:41 just like work in there um we do I do
00:19:44 Windows 10 Windows 7 I don't do windows
00:19:47 Server
00:19:48 Kevin he'll do like Ubuntu 14 and then
00:19:51 if we have another one pottery or Luke
00:19:54 will take care of it and we honestly we
00:19:57 like all talk to each other at the same
00:19:59 time though so like say we're all stuck
00:20:01 for like 20 minutes straight well we
00:20:03 have a plan that like will switch around
00:20:05 will say all right here switch Windows
00:20:07 Server Windows 7 Ubuntu Windows 10 just
00:20:10 to like get a fresh mindset that's good
00:20:14 so for for kids that are thinking about
00:20:16 CyberPatriot what did you learn
00:20:18 the first season that you would
00:20:20 recommend for four kids if you could go
00:20:23 back now and save yourself these lessons
00:20:26 learned what would you tell you at the
00:20:27 start of the season I think it would be
00:20:29 asking questions because at the
00:20:30 beginning I really understand what was
00:20:32 going on and I wasted a lot of time so
00:20:36 if I had us us question since the
00:20:39 beginning it would have helped a lot and
00:20:40 just improving things in in my own
00:20:44 computer when those things downloading a
00:20:47 virtual machine you've gone to just
00:20:50 experimenting a little bit more for me
00:20:52 it'd be networking yeah I focused too
00:20:54 much on the actual operating system and
00:20:57 I did on networking so like right now
00:20:59 we're in like off season so like we have
00:21:02 a partnership with our name's Kimmy she
00:21:05 like comes in and she's like a
00:21:06 professional networker issues to be able
00:21:07 to military and stuff I guess learnt so
00:21:09 much about ESA was so cool um but she
00:21:12 comes in and she ups us out with
00:21:13 networking she's crazy smart in it but
00:21:16 like we get a lot of information from
00:21:17 her so like that's just like cisco
00:21:19 packet tracer and stuff yeah so learning
00:21:22 that there's because there's different
00:21:24 things you have to know to accomplish
00:21:26 all the objectives in CyberPatriot got
00:21:28 to be diverse yeah and yeah asking
00:21:32 questions is an important one we should
00:21:34 always be asking questions all the time
00:21:35 and I also never be afraid for those
00:21:38 other kids out here listening never be
00:21:39 afraid to say you don't know how to do
00:21:41 something even when I run my business
00:21:43 now and I've been doing this stuff for
00:21:45 20 years there's stuff I don't know how
00:21:47 to do every single day fail fail fail
00:21:50 fail and then fail again and then you'll
00:21:52 fail 20 times and then you'll get one
00:21:54 success but that one success will feel
00:21:57 like you just got on top of Mount
00:21:58 Everest and it's the best feeling in the
00:22:01 world
00:22:01 whenever you succeed after multiple
00:22:03 failures yeah and and that's the the
00:22:06 beauty I think with the computers is
00:22:07 failing us free I can just cost some
00:22:11 clock cycles maybe it costs a little bit
00:22:13 of electricity but not really that much
00:22:14 so yeah you you get a chance to try
00:22:17 things over and over and over again
00:22:18 until you you figure out the right way
00:22:21 to do things and once in with software
00:22:23 as well once you figure it out the right
00:22:24 way you can just hit a button and it'll
00:22:26 keep doing that over and over and over
00:22:28 again the right way
00:22:28 it's a other sports you get through to
00:22:31 where it's a perfect
00:22:32 this makes perfect you've got to go do
00:22:34 the thing over again once you have
00:22:35 perfect code it's just perfect and it'll
00:22:36 just keep working maybe until the world
00:22:38 changes around you so we're gonna go to
00:22:42 a break here in a couple of minutes for
00:22:45 a news traffic and weather update at the
00:22:47 bottom of the hour for those folks that
00:22:49 are listening they're gonna leave us
00:22:50 here at the break if you're a parent or
00:22:53 a student out of the audience what would
00:22:54 you want to share with them have an open
00:22:58 mind set um be ready for failure be
00:23:01 ready to succeed after a long time and
00:23:04 just like be willing to learn something
00:23:06 new don't have a closed mindset and if
00:23:09 you're a girl it could be sometimes
00:23:11 intimidating to go to another field
00:23:13 where there's just guys but it's it's
00:23:16 still a really good thing to do and if
00:23:18 if it's something you're passionate for
00:23:20 just go for it yeah and if it just ends
00:23:24 up being guys in this cyber security and
00:23:26 computing stuff for the next 20 years
00:23:28 the way it kind of sadly has been for
00:23:30 the last 20 years we're not going to be
00:23:32 able to fill all the jobs out there
00:23:34 there's hundreds of thousands of cyber
00:23:36 security jobs open across America today
00:23:38 there's thousands of them open in San
00:23:40 Antonio alone and that number is going
00:23:42 to go from hundreds of thousands to
00:23:44 millions and so there's nothing magical
00:23:48 about guys that make them able to do
00:23:50 computers better than girls like any of
00:23:52 that misconception I'd want to take that
00:23:53 into the corner and stomp on it so
00:23:56 they're cool cuz they're patients like
00:23:58 us we just get super mad and angry right
00:24:01 I can't get it and then the girl will be
00:24:04 like did you just chill out like here
00:24:05 have you tried this and then they get it
00:24:07 yeah no it's all people have different
00:24:09 personalities different backgrounds and
00:24:11 everyone brings their own different
00:24:12 strengths and there's the others no one
00:24:15 magic formula of if you have to be six
00:24:18 foot nine to be in technology it's you
00:24:20 might need to be six foot nine to be a
00:24:21 starting small forward on the NBA
00:24:23 but technology there's all sorts of jobs
00:24:26 at cybersecurity and others of out there
00:24:29 for everybody we're gonna go ahead and
00:24:31 take that quick break for news traffic
00:24:33 and whether you're listening to cyber
00:24:35 talk radio on 1200 W AI
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00:25:17 welcome back to cyber talk radio I'm
00:25:20 your host Brett PI at a 20-year internet
00:25:22 security veteran I'm joined this week by
00:25:25 two freshmen at Cass Tech High School
00:25:28 they're also - the oldest kids on campus
00:25:31 because that campus is only freshmen
00:25:33 this year so thank you for coming out
00:25:36 and joining us in a dr. Davis thank you
00:25:39 for joining us as well
00:25:40 I know we've called you Don the programs
00:25:41 thus far but you I understand did go get
00:25:44 a PhD in computer science from a
00:25:46 university just north of here
00:25:47 computer science education ah so
00:25:50 important well it's absolutely yes you
00:25:55 could yeah without you we're not gonna
00:25:57 be able to fill all those jobs we have
00:25:58 coming here in the future his
00:26:01 programming is going everywhere as we
00:26:03 get back into the program here there
00:26:06 were a couple of things that we were
00:26:07 discussing during the break and one of
00:26:11 the ones I think technology is something
00:26:14 all kids use like I almost can't imagine
00:26:17 like if I would be prying my phone out
00:26:20 of my teenager's hands at this point if
00:26:22 I said I think I could ground them and
00:26:25 lock them in the room if they still had
00:26:26 their phone they wouldn't actually care
00:26:29 that's fine with me
00:26:30 honestly okay yeah so like when we were
00:26:33 a kid getting grounded not be able to go
00:26:34 outside with your friends was terrible
00:26:37 but now if taking the phone away I think
00:26:39 is that equivalent so does that
00:26:42 automatically just make you magically
00:26:43 good at all the the stuff you're
00:26:45 learning in school though technology
00:26:47 wise I think that's something people get
00:26:49 wrong because the fact that you're in
00:26:52 your phone doesn't really mean you know
00:26:54 what you're doing I mean do you know how
00:26:55 to scroll through your feed on your
00:26:57 Instagram not write a Java program like
00:27:00 there's like a big difference I mean I
00:27:02 think it's just a stereotype that like
00:27:04 oh you know you're always on your Mac oh
00:27:06 you're always on your laptop you know
00:27:09 you must be up like something like
00:27:11 that's beyond what I can do it's like no
00:27:14 you probably know equivalent as me yeah
00:27:16 they don't really know until they start
00:27:17 experimenting with what they want to
00:27:20 know in the future so how do we get more
00:27:23 kids excited about experimenting and
00:27:26 technology cuz there's a hundred and
00:27:28 fifty of you at cast this year and
00:27:30 there's some
00:27:30 some other kids taking computer classes
00:27:32 probably mostly juniors and seniors
00:27:34 across other high schools in the San
00:27:36 Antonio area maybe listening out there
00:27:38 across the internet but there's not a
00:27:41 lot of freshmen doing what you all are
00:27:42 doing probably 150 of you just a cast
00:27:45 how do we get more kids going you know
00:27:48 what I want to get excited about this
00:27:50 and do this as well for is just showing
00:27:52 how many opportunities there are cuz
00:27:54 there's gonna be a lot of jobs that
00:27:56 people need and and we're just gonna
00:27:59 need to fill that in so there's a lot of
00:28:02 opportunities you just expose them like
00:28:05 and like when you start exposing them
00:28:07 you want to show them what's available
00:28:09 like what how many jobs are there is it
00:28:12 reasonable then you want to do salary
00:28:14 research and then you want to do like
00:28:17 just put them in something that actually
00:28:20 has to do with cybersecurity or not
00:28:22 cybersecurity but like computer science
00:28:23 like just have being in a computer
00:28:26 science class exposes you to like
00:28:28 multiple different areas of computer
00:28:31 science like your first year at a young
00:28:35 age like middle school because that's
00:28:38 when they start realizing what they want
00:28:40 to do or they have starting they start
00:28:43 with passions yeah so if you're a parent
00:28:45 or if you happen to be a middle school
00:28:47 or out there listening to this there's a
00:28:49 here in San Antonio at least there's a
00:28:52 youth code Jam a big a free event every
00:28:55 year that gives kids an opportunity to
00:28:58 learn a little bit about computer
00:28:59 programming get to see and talk to other
00:29:01 kids that have have gotten on further
00:29:03 into high school and are doing computer
00:29:06 programming now and talk with faculty
00:29:09 that can teach that and expose the kids
00:29:12 to what that is out there that's one
00:29:15 there's listening to this program you
00:29:16 may learn a little bit but ask your
00:29:19 school administration to get a cyber
00:29:21 Patriot team going for your kids middle
00:29:23 school
00:29:24 there's the cyber Texas foundation is
00:29:27 here to help schools get that stuff set
00:29:30 up you can listen to our program and our
00:29:34 rebroadcast on WWC bertok radio if you
00:29:38 go there and look at our past episodes
00:29:39 and search for cyber texas foundation
00:29:41 you can
00:29:43 learn about that from the folks at cyber
00:29:46 Texas who came here on the program and
00:29:48 talked to all about getting stuff set up
00:29:50 for CyberPatriot at a school in your
00:29:53 area so if your want to get that going
00:29:56 this happens one parent at a time one
00:29:59 kid at a time asking a teacher or asking
00:30:01 a counselor at school hey how do we get
00:30:03 this at our school and we will continue
00:30:05 to to grow that stuff out there so I
00:30:07 mean I love that message to just get it
00:30:10 exposed and get folks to be aware that
00:30:12 these are options so now this one of the
00:30:20 things that they're trying to do
00:30:21 different at Cass Tech I think from
00:30:23 other high schools is so y'all are
00:30:25 freshmen you're out here down at a
00:30:28 business today this is not a whole class
00:30:31 field trip you said earlier in the first
00:30:34 half of the program you went over to the
00:30:37 Children's Hospital here downtown so you
00:30:40 guys are getting out doing projects and
00:30:43 interacting with folks that are working
00:30:46 today in industry and coming in to work
00:30:48 with them on technology has that been
00:30:50 how has that been as an experience here
00:30:52 for this first year it's it's been
00:30:56 really good to get to know people that
00:30:57 are very important
00:30:59 getting out there knowing knowing
00:31:01 getting contacts business cards getting
00:31:05 in contact with them after the business
00:31:07 card so it's it's good to have a contact
00:31:09 for the future when you start needing
00:31:11 support or internships or anything like
00:31:14 that so everyone talks about it everyone
00:31:17 says oh look you can go do this oh look
00:31:19 you can go do that but no one ever
00:31:21 doesn't now that cast X the exact
00:31:23 opposite of just saying it they actually
00:31:25 like brought us down here they actually
00:31:27 like show this like hey this is how you
00:31:29 do it hey you should do this hey try it
00:31:32 inside of other schools where it's just
00:31:33 like yeah if you want to be a computer
00:31:35 scientist go for it go do it
00:31:37 they don't actually guide you help you
00:31:39 give you contacts and none of that it's
00:31:41 just like do it all over yourself
00:31:42 there's no there's not I guess you could
00:31:45 say it this way there's not that support
00:31:46 I guess kostik is very supportive of
00:31:49 your future
00:31:50 and although the partnerships that we
00:31:52 have poor tastic a lot so that's
00:31:55 something we've really focused on and it
00:31:57 all
00:31:57 so ties in the research a lot because
00:31:58 Andre explained this earlier she was
00:32:00 talking about meeting people seeing them
00:32:02 like oh I see those people I can be that
00:32:04 person that is one of the biggest gaps
00:32:07 to the industry to promoting
00:32:09 longitudinal interest and STEM careers
00:32:11 is knowing that you can do that like if
00:32:13 little Timmy's dad is a cybersecurity
00:32:15 expert then little Timmy thinks he can
00:32:17 do that but you know if andrea has never
00:32:19 seen anybody in cybersecurity why would
00:32:20 she do that so yesterday the kids they
00:32:23 were really enjoying like their
00:32:24 interaction with their mentor Kimi you
00:32:26 know talking about NAT they spent an
00:32:28 hour and a half talking about network
00:32:29 address translation you know they got
00:32:31 really excited and she talked about pen
00:32:32 testing for the military and it really
00:32:34 got him involved and you know we've had
00:32:36 you know other people down there like
00:32:38 we'll heard I guess the kids think that
00:32:39 you know it's normal for congressmen to
00:32:41 stop by their school every week but yeah
00:32:43 so Andre I start looking at careers in
00:32:45 the NSA and whatnot and it's a baked in
00:32:48 there which is why we have our mentor
00:32:50 coordinator here Amir saman D like he's
00:32:53 organizing things they're gonna have
00:32:54 chips and mentorships we're having
00:32:56 people swing by talk to the kids
00:32:58 ya know I mean I think all that stuff is
00:33:01 great and congressman Hurd has been on
00:33:03 the program a big fan of his and and
00:33:06 where he's pushing the cyber education
00:33:09 he's they ran a pilot program over this
00:33:11 past summer where they had 40 middle
00:33:13 school teachers that got educated to
00:33:15 teach computer programming to middle
00:33:17 school kids across his district so if
00:33:20 you're in Congress out there
00:33:21 representing one of the other districts
00:33:22 across America please do what
00:33:24 congressman Hurd is doing if your
00:33:25 district figure out to get teachers in
00:33:27 middle school able to teach computer
00:33:28 programming as you're hearing from these
00:33:31 kids like learning about these things
00:33:33 during middle school is where this all
00:33:36 starts and in high school they're
00:33:38 starting to get whether it's cast or
00:33:40 other places where you're gonna have
00:33:43 computer programming options available
00:33:45 at a more broad range of high schools is
00:33:48 this education just like every other
00:33:51 industry there's demand and the schools
00:33:55 that have this in high school the kids
00:33:57 will figure how to get there like I said
00:33:58 with cast you didn't just wake up one
00:34:01 morning and get a notice that this is
00:34:03 the high school year assigned to you had
00:34:05 to choose and pick to go here and kids
00:34:07 have but down at the high school level
00:34:08 more school choice than we
00:34:10 seen across America especially when I
00:34:13 was a kid it was either you went to the
00:34:16 neighborhood school you were assigned to
00:34:17 or your parents were wealthier than my
00:34:20 parents even it was pretty hard to go to
00:34:22 anything it wasn't just your
00:34:23 neighborhood school now though there's
00:34:25 all sorts of options and districts like
00:34:28 SAISD are doing really creative amazing
00:34:30 things I love it and I'd say you know
00:34:32 keep since this is a cybersecurity
00:34:35 broadcast and stuff what we're talking
00:34:37 about there are a lot of schools I you
00:34:39 know lot of schools they they emphasize
00:34:41 it too a little bit computer science is
00:34:43 pretty ubiquitous but just really
00:34:44 understanding the connections to
00:34:46 cybersecurity kids you know students
00:34:48 they're just like anybody else they
00:34:49 don't know what's going on in the
00:34:51 cybersecurity world like that
00:34:53 I had no clue eight months ago what even
00:34:57 was Linux I had no clue what that was
00:34:59 but being exposed to it being seeing the
00:35:02 word being tossed around and then sing
00:35:04 like VMS of it and then I think right
00:35:09 before Christmas break I was so
00:35:10 influenced that like dr. dawn helped me
00:35:12 wipe my whole Windows 10 computer and we
00:35:15 put sensors on it since this is a
00:35:17 version of Linux but yeah so like it's
00:35:21 just about being exposed to it because
00:35:23 say your mom's say your dad's a
00:35:24 construction worker you're not gonna
00:35:26 think about computer science but if you
00:35:28 see someone that that's actually doing
00:35:31 what you're interested in you can
00:35:32 imagine yourself in their shoes doing
00:35:34 what they do
00:35:35 and that just motivates a kid rather
00:35:37 than just reading a textbook or looking
00:35:40 through a magazine it's it's it's
00:35:43 putting words into action and that's
00:35:44 what we're doing here right now yeah
00:35:46 that's actually what what got me into
00:35:48 all of this mostly with my dad a
00:35:51 business and then mostly focused in
00:35:54 cybersecurity so just seeing how he
00:35:55 worked and he did everything it's what
00:35:58 what put me into all of this and it's
00:36:00 pretty exciting for the middle schoolers
00:36:02 out there and high schoolers even we're
00:36:04 not gonna need soldiers soldiers are you
00:36:07 know in the past we have a negative
00:36:10 unemployment in the cybersecurity
00:36:12 industry that means we need a lot of
00:36:13 cybersecurity industries we we're
00:36:15 actively being hacked at by Russia that
00:36:18 is the thing we know oh yeah it's a
00:36:20 conference on that we're gonna do
00:36:22 soldiers with keyboards
00:36:23 so then for those of you finishing up
00:36:27 high school if you're like man I missed
00:36:28 the whole boat on all this stuff you
00:36:30 haven't missed the boat yet so go back
00:36:32 to our website www.patinsproject.com
00:36:57 for the airforce do in cybersecurity you
00:37:00 can even potentially just go straight
00:37:02 into the reserves at that point and go
00:37:03 out and go to college and continue on
00:37:06 your cyber education or you could stay
00:37:07 active duty all sorts of options with
00:37:10 that program so if you're not in middle
00:37:12 school or you're not getting ready to go
00:37:13 into high school you've not missed the
00:37:15 opportunity to get into the cyber
00:37:16 security industry yeah but no I mean
00:37:18 that the the world is moving into the
00:37:22 cyber activities and that's the the next
00:37:25 front where all these things are gonna
00:37:27 happen we've had folks on the program as
00:37:29 well you yes maybe listen to one of
00:37:30 these but in Ukraine power plant got
00:37:33 hacked and taken offline
00:37:34 this is warfare cyber warfare yeah so I
00:37:38 mean that's what's happening here people
00:37:40 are doing bad things with computers and
00:37:42 we need cyberpatriots and we need other
00:37:43 folks on the defensive side to help
00:37:46 secure and keep all these systems safe
00:37:47 and stop that type of stuff so you guys
00:37:51 are getting ready to head into spring
00:37:53 break here any any big projects that are
00:37:57 due coming up here or anything
00:38:00 how's the school year gonna finish out
00:38:02 here in the second semester a big thing
00:38:03 we're trying to do right now is just
00:38:05 certifications things like Adobe
00:38:08 Illustrator for digital art or the Red
00:38:11 Hat certification with Linux essentials
00:38:14 maybe sorry yes like right now so we
00:38:19 started this a while back like Linux
00:38:20 essentials but no one was motivated and
00:38:23 like I saw that a couple like he was
00:38:25 like two weeks ago I noticed that like
00:38:26 no one was doing it because no one wants
00:38:29 to do it by themselves no one they need
00:38:31 that motivation from like a peer a
00:38:33 colleague someone it doesn't have to be
00:38:36 a teacher it can be your friend
00:38:37 so instead of just dwelling on the fact
00:38:39 I created this thing called Linux study
00:38:43 group and it's just if you're interested
00:38:46 in Linux I I have the the curriculum
00:38:50 that I'm signed up for and I'm sharing
00:38:51 it with whoever wants to learn it and
00:38:53 our school pays for the certification
00:38:56 for Linux essential certification so
00:38:58 it's kind of like what do you what are
00:39:00 you doing in the morning you're just
00:39:01 sitting on the bench
00:39:02 come come in the classroom 80 30 just
00:39:05 chill with me and learn Linux yes so to
00:39:07 clarified the goal is the first thing is
00:39:09 the LPI linux essential certification
00:39:11 and the vonda linux plus then to the red
00:39:12 hat yeah red hat takes a while it's not
00:39:15 a one-year thing that's it's a big thing
00:39:17 yeah now the so I'm old enough that's
00:39:20 why I've got gray hair my beard so I
00:39:22 used to work on a Sun Solaris which Sun
00:39:26 doesn't even exist as a company anymore
00:39:27 they got bought by Oracle a few years
00:39:29 ago Solaris still exists as an operating
00:39:30 system is part of Oracle dawn CI says
00:39:33 he's got the sad look at his face - I
00:39:35 think he probably worked with in the
00:39:36 past as well and and then I had a friend
00:39:38 who was a Windows administrator and
00:39:41 Linux was came out as this new operating
00:39:44 system all the Linux kids thought they
00:39:46 were cool and they were smarter than all
00:39:48 the rest of us these old crusty UNIX
00:39:49 guys and these windows people so as you
00:39:52 said you need a partner to study so a
00:39:54 friend of mine and I we decided we were
00:39:56 going to set up a lab and study back
00:39:59 then red had only offered one
00:40:01 certification just the Red Hat certified
00:40:03 systems engineer' or the rhce
00:40:06 Red Hat certified engineer I guess is
00:40:08 what it was back then that was the only
00:40:09 one they offered and that so we got
00:40:13 together a UNIX guy and a a Windows guy
00:40:16 and we studied and went and a go went
00:40:19 and took that test and we studied good
00:40:21 because we passed and then all the Linux
00:40:24 people who stopped pretending they were
00:40:26 better than us question what would you
00:40:29 have done the same if it was just by
00:40:31 yourself and you didn't have that guy
00:40:32 with you
00:40:33 no there's no way yeah we would have had
00:40:35 massive holes in it we would part of the
00:40:38 that certification then was a brake fix
00:40:41 so you did a multiple-choice question to
00:40:44 start the day and if you got them
00:40:45 through the multiple-choice the next
00:40:46 thing you did they there were 10 brake
00:40:49 fixed scenarios so the system was broken
00:40:51 to figure out what was what broke it and
00:40:53 you had to then move on to the next one
00:40:55 and you had like I think like an hour to
00:40:56 do the 10:00 break fix things and if you
00:40:58 didn't get through at least eight of the
00:41:00 ten in the hour then you got kicked out
00:41:02 of the test and you didn't get to go on
00:41:05 to the last part which was yet to go
00:41:07 build a whole system from scratch and
00:41:09 set up a bunch of stuff on there and so
00:41:12 that break fixed training we had working
00:41:14 back and forth so partner because like
00:41:16 if you break the thing yourself it's
00:41:17 pretty easy to know how to fix it but if
00:41:19 someone else is breaking it then you can
00:41:21 spend a bunch of time digging around on
00:41:23 a system and you you start to learn how
00:41:24 to move through that stuff more quickly
00:41:26 troubleshooting that's all honestly how
00:41:28 you learn to use troubleshoot everything
00:41:30 but as far as talking about community I
00:41:31 think something interesting that's
00:41:33 happened recently we have a student he
00:41:34 started a war driving so the legal war
00:41:36 driving you know he's posted to wiggle
00:41:38 and whatever but he actually
00:41:40 communicated with the guy from kismet
00:41:42 he's been typing back and forth to the
00:41:44 author of kismet because he wanted some
00:41:46 enemy a string to his phone he's like
00:41:48 and so yeah he's a ninth grader actively
00:41:51 involved with the creator of kismet so
00:41:54 that's pretty cool
00:41:55 yeah yeah he's on cyber cyber pastry
00:41:57 team yeah so what's kismet for our
00:41:59 listening audience who wants to explain
00:42:01 okay kids Matt's to look at all the
00:42:03 Wi-Fi points and stuff like that and
00:42:05 then you can look at all the Wi-Fi
00:42:07 signals and then any pretty much any
00:42:10 signal right it's the wireless so yeah
00:42:13 he's driving around on the city bus
00:42:15 scanning the wireless and logging it
00:42:16 with GPS but he's not login packets
00:42:18 because you know that that sounds cool
00:42:20 we are ethical yes
00:42:22 there's the correct way to do these
00:42:24 things and so yeah he's created quite a
00:42:27 little map so he has a map of all the
00:42:29 Wi-Fi hotspots around Cass Tech it's
00:42:32 it's good times its nerd cruising as
00:42:34 they call it yeah yeah it's pretty cool
00:42:36 yeah just experimenting and he also
00:42:38 brings like Jason he brings out a lot of
00:42:41 a lot of people um that's what they talk
00:42:44 about being just exposed and him
00:42:47 communicating with other people you had
00:42:49 a speaker yesterday and just exposing us
00:42:52 to how we're supposed to help each other
00:42:54 and we push each other wrong when we
00:42:57 need each other but not only company is
00:42:59 like I got in contact with the UTSA
00:43:01 president and
00:43:03 and we invited her our kismet friend
00:43:07 Kevin Cassano and dr. dawn and we got
00:43:09 like a personalized tour of UTSA campus
00:43:11 and the CIA s program cyber threat
00:43:14 defender yeah cyber threat defender card
00:43:17 game oh yeah during the break Jason saw
00:43:19 some of the the card decks here at the
00:43:20 the office yeah if you're listening to
00:43:23 this and you would like to play cyber
00:43:25 threat defender here's a call-out for
00:43:27 those that either listen to this and the
00:43:28 rebroadcast or if you're listening to
00:43:31 this on 1200 W AI if you'll tweet to
00:43:35 cyber talk radio hey hook me up with a
00:43:37 cyber threat defender deck we will get
00:43:40 you one so there you know there's the
00:43:42 secret of listening so you can tell the
00:43:44 other kids at cast but they're gonna
00:43:45 have to figure out how to tweet to cyber
00:43:47 talk radio say yeah you may already have
00:43:51 some around the campus a cast that all
00:43:53 of the kids probably know how to tweet
00:43:55 at least or oh yeah yeah at this point
00:44:01 our own so we have this cyber cyber
00:44:05 Knights that we're trying to create it's
00:44:07 just for those that want to focus and
00:44:09 video game design and we're trying to
00:44:11 create something something that looks
00:44:15 like cyber threat yes so turn cyber
00:44:18 threat defender into an online video
00:44:19 game because I know there's like online
00:44:21 this could be a fun project for a few
00:44:23 years there were online versions of like
00:44:25 the those other card games out there
00:44:27 that are copyrighted by the people go
00:44:28 yeah those sorts of things there's yeah
00:44:31 like the yeah at your game they're
00:44:33 trying to make Cyrus their defender a
00:44:34 mobile game over there so the UTSA
00:44:37 there's some students working on that
00:44:39 already that's good I like that project
00:44:42 um since in the talk of social media you
00:44:44 asked us earlier if we use a technology
00:44:46 in uh in any of our classes in PE we
00:44:50 actually call it the Instagram scavenger
00:44:52 hunt so you had a list of objectives and
00:44:55 you got points for each one you did and
00:44:57 it was around the whole campus because
00:44:59 remember Cass Tech is located was ala
00:45:00 and Fox Tech we had to go all around
00:45:02 campus and it was crazy stuff like those
00:45:04 one was like get he put get a piggyback
00:45:07 ride from a Fox Tech student or there
00:45:10 was another one where it was like
00:45:11 created chalk outline of yourself and
00:45:14 put a crazy post with like an ala
00:45:16 student or like go it go find a la
00:45:19 teacher and ask her to high-five all of
00:45:21 her students yeah
00:45:22 so how's that being a High School where
00:45:24 on your campus there's multiple schools
00:45:27 it's kind of crazy at the same time as
00:45:30 peaceful we get we get a lot of
00:45:33 different mindsets a lot of diversity
00:45:36 because like Fox Tech they study law we
00:45:39 study technology la they're a bunch of
00:45:43 like their minds are like everywhere
00:45:45 like they they study like almost
00:45:47 everything that they want to study like
00:45:49 I have friends there and they're like
00:45:50 yeah I'm starting like behavioral ISM
00:45:52 psychology computer science and kind see
00:45:55 ology yeah we don't see each other as
00:45:58 much but when we do it and things like
00:46:00 sports and all that stuff we we learn a
00:46:03 lot from each other just the way they
00:46:05 think about law and health and what they
00:46:08 learn in Advanced Learning Academy yeah
00:46:12 so what are you you looking forward to
00:46:16 over the summer here an internship an
00:46:19 internship yeah yeah anywhere you would
00:46:23 like to be an intern I think his name's
00:46:27 Zach yes Zach was connecting me with a
00:46:30 couple companies and stuff like that ya
00:46:32 know I think this this is one that we're
00:46:35 gonna try to figure out here with the
00:46:36 the tech community downtown at San
00:46:38 Antonio near Cass Tech there's a number
00:46:42 of us here that are working with the
00:46:44 school district and with si works you
00:46:47 I'm trying to get high school students
00:46:49 out doing projects and working on things
00:46:51 with us throughout their school years as
00:46:55 they get to be juniors and seniors and
00:46:57 maybe over their summers here even
00:46:59 between their freshman and sophomore
00:47:00 year so let the Job Shadow days and more
00:47:04 maybe a more extended place over the
00:47:06 summer yeah just make sure you have like
00:47:08 that second connection so like once you
00:47:10 get that business card you gotta follow
00:47:12 up with them but don't it made a maybe a
00:47:15 thank you but you want to pull a bit
00:47:17 more of it thank you so like instead
00:47:18 like for instance like whenever I got um
00:47:20 I think it was Christina's card I think
00:47:25 it was um I followed up with her and I
00:47:27 was like
00:47:28 I heard y'all have a podcast and I was
00:47:30 like that's pretty cool like I listened
00:47:31 a lot of podcast and then I set this up
00:47:33 I was like yeah this this is proof that
00:47:36 following-up works yeah Jason ran into
00:47:39 Kristina our executive producer here for
00:47:42 cyber talk radio at a job shadowed a
00:47:45 about a few weeks ago now and followed
00:47:48 up with her and now here they are on the
00:47:51 program talking to you out there and our
00:47:54 listening audience putting our words
00:47:55 into action yes and I working is one of
00:47:58 the best things just talking to the
00:48:00 people that you got a cart from even if
00:48:02 they don't answer about there's nothing
00:48:04 else to lose like that's just one
00:48:07 example that we've communicated with the
00:48:09 president of UTSA and we've learned
00:48:12 about the program's they have in their
00:48:13 cyber security and computer science is
00:48:16 it's a good thing to do all I did was
00:48:19 shake his hand like I saw him in the
00:48:21 hallway and I saw UTSA president all I
00:48:23 did was like shake his hand I was like
00:48:24 hey I'm a student here he was like and I
00:48:26 was like oh I study computer science and
00:48:28 it's like oh well we we have a big thing
00:48:29 for computer science it's like here's my
00:48:31 business card
00:48:31 contact me this is a matter of like two
00:48:33 minutes in the hallway I had to go to
00:48:34 class and then I followed up with them
00:48:36 and I was like hey do you think I could
00:48:38 uh you know squeeze in a little thing
00:48:39 and he was like yeah sure you invite a
00:48:41 couple people that's a big woman is that
00:48:43 to not be afraid of adults like I mean
00:48:46 kids are around teachers all the time
00:48:48 they're not really afraid of teachers
00:48:49 but I feel like kids are afraid of other
00:48:51 adults and like getting out to where
00:48:52 you're seeing them in professional
00:48:54 working environments don't be afraid to
00:48:56 ask for a business card don't be afraid
00:48:57 to follow up because that's how you'll
00:48:59 create opportunities you'll learn things
00:49:00 and you'll be able to carry that on
00:49:02 through to your adult life those are
00:49:05 great skills to build along with that
00:49:07 problem-solving you will learn in
00:49:08 CyberPatriot I can't harp on that
00:49:11 cyberpatriots tough enough I love it
00:49:13 it's a teaching it's it's the
00:49:16 problem-solving stuff it teaches is is
00:49:18 magical from my perspective so about
00:49:19 critical thinking yes
00:49:21 so we're wrapping the program up here
00:49:23 any last quick parting thoughts for our
00:49:26 audience just to the girls or women out
00:49:29 there there's lots of opportunities in
00:49:32 this job field and not just for them but
00:49:35 for everyone else is just really
00:49:38 important for us to go out there more
00:49:40 yeah well thank you both very much for
00:49:43 joining us here on cyber talk radio for
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