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00:00:27 welcome to cyber talk radio I'm your
00:00:31 host Brett hi a 20 year internet
00:00:33 security veteran joined this week by a
00:00:36 couple of our wonderful military
00:00:39 personnel here stationed in San Antonio
00:00:42 we're here this week to talk about
00:00:46 military cyber professionals Association
00:00:48 of San Antonio and what this nonprofit
00:00:51 organization is up to so Shawn and
00:00:55 Charles thank you for agreeing to join
00:00:57 us this week and come here on the air to
00:00:59 talk about what MCP a is gonna do for
00:01:02 the city of San Antonio's this chapter
00:01:04 gets up and going here thanks Thank You
00:01:07 Brad so Shawn can you go and give a
00:01:09 little bit of your background how did
00:01:10 you get involved in the Air Force and
00:01:13 then why join in and start working in
00:01:18 your free time on the military side
00:01:20 professionals Association well I was
00:01:23 approached hey do you want to be
00:01:24 treasurer of the military cyber
00:01:26 professional association and I didn't
00:01:29 know much about it and it got explained
00:01:30 to me and we sat down at the line in the
00:01:33 Rose pub down here in downtown San
00:01:36 Antonio with a couple of guys from Ernst
00:01:40 & Young and they were the president and
00:01:42 vice president and they were like hey we
00:01:44 need a treasurer do you want to do this
00:01:45 and I was like sure so I came on board
00:01:47 as the treasurer did some work with them
00:01:50 we decided to reinvent ourselves a
00:01:52 little bit and then ultimately I rolled
00:01:54 into being the president of the mCP a
00:01:57 wonderful Anna how about you Charles so
00:02:01 I actually found em CPA when I was
00:02:03 stationed in Germany I used to be a
00:02:05 medic and kind of got tired of that
00:02:08 wanted something bigger and better so I
00:02:11 applied to cross train into this new
00:02:14 cyber career field the Air Force was
00:02:15 standing up and didn't really know what
00:02:18 I was getting into so I found a guy who
00:02:20 was in the career field already to
00:02:21 shadow while I was shadowing him he was
00:02:23 like hey check this thing out apply
00:02:25 online they can help you out you know
00:02:27 get you where you need to be so that's
00:02:29 why I got into it and then when I pcs to
00:02:31 Lackland Air Force Base
00:02:33 I met a Sean and he leaned over to me
00:02:36 and was like hey do you know what do you
00:02:38 know about em CPA have you ever
00:02:40 heard of them I was like actually I have
00:02:42 and then from that point on I was part
00:02:45 of the MC PA here excellent yeah so if
00:02:49 you're out there and you're listening
00:02:50 and you're thinking well maybe I want to
00:02:51 be part of this airforce cyber stuff and
00:02:54 you're not in the airforce today we had
00:02:56 a tech sergeant Ayami Baker on who's the
00:02:58 airforce cyber recruiter you can listen
00:03:01 to that on our website at wwlp.com as
00:03:05 well as on iTunes podcasts or pocket
00:03:08 caster pretty much any podcast service
00:03:10 that you try to look us up on out there
00:03:12 you can learn all about how the Air
00:03:14 Force if you go through and apply
00:03:16 they'll send you to training on all of
00:03:19 this so you don't even need to have
00:03:21 cyber skills you can just decide you
00:03:23 want to serve your country and you want
00:03:26 to be out there in cyber and if you go
00:03:29 through get accepted they'll send you
00:03:31 through to training and potentially even
00:03:33 straight into the reserves if you'd like
00:03:36 you don't even necessarily have to go
00:03:38 straight active-duty beyond just that
00:03:40 initial boot camp and the training
00:03:43 cycles so you can learn more listen into
00:03:45 tech sergeant Baker talk all about that
00:03:48 and learn about the over 1,500 openings
00:03:51 is cyber security is hot inside the
00:03:55 military it's a hot out there in the
00:03:56 private sector there's hundreds of
00:03:58 thousands to potentially millions of
00:04:00 openings and I'm talking about this
00:04:03 right now to lead into a little bit of
00:04:05 some of the stuff that MC PA has been
00:04:07 working on here in San Antonio over the
00:04:09 last month or so here leading up to them
00:04:13 joining us on the air today they've been
00:04:14 working on a camp for thirteen to
00:04:17 seventeen year old kids can you guys one
00:04:20 of you who's working on that one and
00:04:22 share a little bit more about what that
00:04:24 camps going on and how folks can look up
00:04:27 and learn more about it well if you go
00:04:30 to the mCP a website Mill cyborgs and
00:04:34 you look at the vision it says
00:04:35 professional networking and stem and as
00:04:37 the San Antonio chapter Charles and I
00:04:40 looked at each other and we said how are
00:04:42 we going to promote stem in San Antonio
00:04:45 so immediately we picked up a program
00:04:48 called coderdojo
00:04:49 and that was a great success get
00:04:51 instructors to teach can
00:04:53 you're coding whatever language they're
00:04:55 proficient in we get them to pick it up
00:04:57 get him a curriculum and start teaching
00:04:59 kids as it started getting bigger we
00:05:02 decided hey let's throw some more some
00:05:04 more topics in here
00:05:06 maybe do cybersecurity maybe do computer
00:05:10 networking maybe do robotics so we had
00:05:13 the coding and the robotics and the kids
00:05:17 like the robotics a lot too we literally
00:05:19 had them making remote-control cars that
00:05:20 had sensors on them and as they drove up
00:05:22 to the wall they would stop reverse and
00:05:24 turn around while using C+ coding to
00:05:28 interface and send commands to Arduino
00:05:30 boards so they could control those cars
00:05:32 and that was a big hey those kids liked
00:05:33 it a lot and then we started the
00:05:36 cybersecurity stuff and we called it
00:05:38 Ghost wire so we thought it was a cool
00:05:41 name just thought kids would think it
00:05:43 was awesome yeah and they step one is
00:05:45 name it a something cool so kids get
00:05:47 excited about it yep and so we started
00:05:52 the ghost wire and it's a hit - they
00:05:55 like coming down here in about malware
00:05:57 and behavioral characteristics of
00:05:59 malware and you know how to fix
00:06:01 grandma's computer I think one of the
00:06:03 favorite things the kids seem to like is
00:06:06 a social engineering we go through
00:06:08 exercises with them on that and they
00:06:10 they get to play both sides of it so
00:06:12 that's always fun for them yeah it's
00:06:15 good things for kids to get trained on
00:06:17 is the ones that are not getting that
00:06:20 cyber security awareness training
00:06:21 through a program like ghost wire elfs
00:06:24 are often ones that are out there on the
00:06:26 Internet they get taken advantage of
00:06:27 they get tricked or duped by these sites
00:06:29 you'll get a pop-up ad that says your
00:06:31 computers infected click here to save
00:06:32 yourself that's really a technical
00:06:35 version of social engineering you're not
00:06:36 talking to somebody on the phone but
00:06:38 you're in the computers not infected
00:06:39 until you do click on the pop-up and
00:06:41 then you've actually caused yourself a
00:06:43 problem where you thought you were
00:06:44 fixing it and it's designed for those
00:06:46 kind of 7 to 10 year old kids that can
00:06:49 read but don't yet have that social
00:06:51 engineering and security awareness
00:06:53 training to know that's actually a
00:06:55 hacker out there after you yeah and you
00:06:58 see that a lot too with these kids
00:06:59 clicking on things because they don't
00:07:01 you know they don't have the awareness
00:07:02 to realize what's going on so if there
00:07:05 watching videogame YouTube ads or some
00:07:07 of that nature they'll just click all
00:07:09 over everything if you can teach kids
00:07:12 not to do those things then you know
00:07:16 obviously yeah we make these things much
00:07:19 safer
00:07:20 so the yes social engineering aspect fun
00:07:22 I saw and some of the curriculum looks
00:07:23 like you guys get them Wireshark and
00:07:26 show them how to set that stuff up as
00:07:27 well oh yeah yeah yeah for our listeners
00:07:30 out there that don't know what Wireshark
00:07:32 I got some excited smiling nods in here
00:07:33 cuz you can have a good amount of fun
00:07:35 with that especially the kids again this
00:07:37 it lets them go and do some pretty cool
00:07:42 things on network so you share a little
00:07:43 bit about Wireshark and why that's fun
00:07:45 for the kids so basically what Wireshark
00:07:49 is is it allows you to see all the
00:07:50 traffic going on the network although
00:07:53 all the packets of data so you can pick
00:07:55 all those data packets apart and see
00:07:58 what they are see what's in them a lot
00:07:59 of stuff that goes across the internet
00:08:01 is what we call it in clear-text
00:08:03 so any Joe Schmo who has a packet
00:08:06 sniffer like Wireshark can read it and
00:08:07 so what we do exercises with kids will
00:08:10 throw passwords and stuff in clear text
00:08:12 and tell them hey you know go to this
00:08:14 website and as they're going to the
00:08:17 website we have other kids set up with
00:08:19 traffic sniffers on their laptops so
00:08:21 they're sniffing each other's traffic
00:08:23 then it's like okay you know we created
00:08:24 a username and login for you go ahead
00:08:26 and login and they they do that and they
00:08:28 see it and it's it's real cool for them
00:08:29 and you know they're excited because
00:08:31 they feel like you know they're doing
00:08:33 hacker stuff but in reality they're also
00:08:35 getting the experience where they're
00:08:36 seeing hey you know if I'm out on it
00:08:39 Starbucks you know anybody could steal
00:08:42 my password yeah I mean that's a good
00:08:45 one to talk to folks about it's why you
00:08:47 should always use the secure websites
00:08:50 it's that little S at the end of the
00:08:52 HTTP there in your web browser some of
00:08:55 them make the bar green some of them put
00:08:57 a little padlock up there but you should
00:08:59 be going to websites these days
00:09:00 everything should be HTTPS is not only
00:09:04 can those hackers use something like
00:09:05 Wireshark to sniff your traffic but
00:09:08 there's other tools called packet
00:09:09 injectors too where if you go to one
00:09:11 HTTP website somebody in the network can
00:09:15 potentially rewrite that session for you
00:09:17 and inject traffic that
00:09:18 didn't come from really the website it
00:09:19 might have come from that hackers
00:09:20 computer sitting on the Wi-Fi network
00:09:22 there with you yeah we like to take the
00:09:25 approach that we're not really teaching
00:09:27 kids how to sniff traffic in the public
00:09:31 libraries to get credentials and use
00:09:34 them we kind of showcase to teach about
00:09:37 password complexity how to make a super
00:09:40 simple password that could easily be
00:09:42 cracked that you need to put special
00:09:43 characters and stuff and follow those
00:09:45 policies and and that's really important
00:09:47 because they see that and then they
00:09:48 start to realize that hey maybe I
00:09:50 shouldn't make my password Kassie which
00:09:53 is the name of their dog or something
00:09:54 like that
00:09:55 yeah we had some problems too like
00:09:57 trying to showcase these examples
00:09:58 because a lot of sites are out there are
00:10:00 now HTTPS I really had to hunt around
00:10:02 and find one where we could find a field
00:10:04 where we could generate a user name and
00:10:06 password that wasn't HTTPS which is
00:10:08 really fantastic it's water but it was
00:10:10 difficult for the example we were trying
00:10:13 to show yeah yeah no that's good and yes
00:10:16 if you're a developer out there
00:10:17 and you have any forms or fields on your
00:10:19 website you're taking any user-generated
00:10:22 content input please HTTP but I mean
00:10:26 really even if you're just serving up
00:10:28 static content on the site HTTPS like
00:10:31 you'll go to cyber talk radio could we
00:10:33 serve that main page that just has the
00:10:36 information about the show on it without
00:10:38 HTTPS sure but we're using let's encrypt
00:10:42 which is a free SSL certificate service
00:10:45 so go you know let's encrypt org so
00:10:48 there's not even a it's too expensive to
00:10:50 make my web site secure these days it's
00:10:51 free literally doesn't cost you anything
00:10:54 more than a little bit of time at let's
00:10:55 encrypt org to secure that traffic out
00:10:58 there and keep the website safe with the
00:10:59 the program you've got going with the
00:11:02 the kids you mentioned the library so
00:11:05 you're running this at the san antonio
00:11:07 public library
00:11:08 oh yeah that's correct yeah historically
00:11:10 we go around and get any library that'll
00:11:13 let us sit in there and teach usually
00:11:16 there's not much resistance but where we
00:11:17 do get resistance is for the voting
00:11:19 polls and stuff like that so sometimes
00:11:20 we get kicked out of the way because you
00:11:22 know it's first-come first-serve so and
00:11:24 that's fair but um a lot of the
00:11:26 libraries here see us as a priority and
00:11:29 a need and not just to want because
00:11:31 we're providing a public service that's
00:11:33 important and I know that people realize
00:11:36 that we're doing this for a reason not
00:11:39 just to be good Samaritans or or some of
00:11:42 that nature ya know this is one of the
00:11:45 things I think that makes San Antonio
00:11:46 kind of truly a special places that
00:11:48 there are chapters of the mCP a and kids
00:11:52 have the opportunity to go learn
00:11:53 cybersecurity here through this or
00:11:56 through a number of different programs
00:11:58 we have almost as many CyberPatriot
00:12:01 teams even as a lot the city of Los
00:12:03 Angeles they're number one and there may
00:12:06 be three or four times the size of San
00:12:08 Antonio so kids get a lot of opportunity
00:12:12 here to learn cybersecurity and and with
00:12:14 programs like this maybe if they aren't
00:12:16 on a CyberPatriot team now they can go
00:12:19 there they can learn some things and get
00:12:21 to where they are able to join one
00:12:23 following season
00:12:24 yeah we try to make this more we do make
00:12:27 it 100 percent free for anybody who
00:12:29 wants to sign up if the kid has some
00:12:32 ambition to want to learn about
00:12:33 computers or cybersecurity or coding or
00:12:36 robotics we really try to nurture that
00:12:38 and grow that out and individual because
00:12:41 you know it's they're gonna be the ones
00:12:43 defending our networks in the future so
00:12:45 if you start them while they're young
00:12:46 and build them up there'll be better
00:12:48 cyber defenders in the coming years yeah
00:12:51 the other thing that I've recently
00:12:54 learned there Sharon what we teach them
00:12:56 of with their parents I met one of the
00:12:58 parents in one of the previous classes
00:12:59 and the mom was like oh yeah you know I
00:13:03 was on the computer you know I went to
00:13:05 do this thing and you know my son come
00:13:07 up and stopped me and that's why I think
00:13:09 that's another another big benefit of it
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00:13:56 guest of the show so Charles we were
00:14:01 talking military cyber professional
00:14:04 association for those that just joined
00:14:07 us here now in the radio can you give us
00:14:08 a little background on what's the the
00:14:12 number one thing from a mission for MC
00:14:15 PA the goal of the organization so the
00:14:18 organization's goal is a mentorship and
00:14:21 development of our nation's military
00:14:23 cyber forces and then also stem outreach
00:14:26 and so we fulfill that we do like
00:14:30 quarterly talks will invite a guest
00:14:32 speaker from the community usually we've
00:14:34 had guys from Symantec cyber guys from
00:14:37 USAA industry leaders I've had them come
00:14:40 out and talk to our military guys and
00:14:42 then we also have our STEM program so we
00:14:44 do our outreach into the community yeah
00:14:46 and so there's a San Antonio chapter of
00:14:49 this but this is a nationwide
00:14:50 organization or global yeah that's
00:14:53 correct
00:14:53 yeah so going back for the the history
00:14:56 of the organization when did it get
00:14:59 started and what was the the genesis of
00:15:01 that beginning so I think it all started
00:15:05 back in about 2010 2011 with Joe
00:15:08 Billingsley and my takeaway from it was
00:15:11 that hey you know there's a national
00:15:12 association for submarines there's a
00:15:15 National Association for radio there's a
00:15:18 National Association for this and that
00:15:19 and Joe Billingsley took his vision and
00:15:21 said I want to make a National
00:15:23 Association for military cyber
00:15:25 professionals and that's how that gets
00:15:27 started out so yeah this becomes one of
00:15:30 the growing career fields in our
00:15:32 military it makes sense for you to be
00:15:36 able to stay together and then as an
00:15:38 organized group be able to give back to
00:15:41 the cities that you're stationed in
00:15:43 absolutely and we're starting to work on
00:15:46 a new project because we're really
00:15:48 trying to hone in this professional
00:15:49 development because it's great to have
00:15:51 public speakers and everybody come and
00:15:53 hear what they have to say because they
00:15:54 say some amazing things
00:15:56 we that we've noticed that people really
00:15:58 like the tech talks to people come down
00:16:00 they want to hear nerdy things they want
00:16:02 to hear technical details about malware
00:16:05 or the recent hacker or whatever's going
00:16:08 on in the industry at the time but what
00:16:10 we want to do is make a new program an
00:16:13 offensive cyber range where we're gonna
00:16:15 bring people together to come in that
00:16:17 are MC PA members and we're
00:16:19 collaboratively to solve problems so for
00:16:22 example you know if you if your
00:16:25 background is clearly just you know
00:16:27 cyber defense but you've always wanted
00:16:29 to do offense we can come down and
00:16:32 create that environment and we can test
00:16:34 offensive skills just for fun and and
00:16:37 that's a really fantastic professional
00:16:39 networking opportunity because as we
00:16:42 invite people that come down you know
00:16:44 hey I'm working on this hack with this
00:16:48 person from route 9b hey I'm working on
00:16:50 this hack with this person from USA and
00:16:52 I'm working on this hack from somebody
00:16:53 else and in another business as they
00:16:57 work together you know that's that's a
00:16:58 personal resume so when that person
00:17:00 wants to transition out of the military
00:17:01 you know people are gonna say hey I know
00:17:04 that guy because we worked on an RSA
00:17:06 encryption problem or we worked on this
00:17:10 and we worked on that so that idea is to
00:17:12 bring people together to work together
00:17:14 on these problems and and and that'll
00:17:16 make the professional network happen
00:17:18 because I think that's a lot more
00:17:19 important than just having a resume that
00:17:22 face-to-face interaction and that
00:17:24 handshake and working together on
00:17:25 problems like that it's feels like a
00:17:28 no-brainer to me yeah and as you're
00:17:30 talking there one of the things we've
00:17:33 had some conversations with others in
00:17:36 the program about is there's
00:17:37 transitioning out of the military is
00:17:38 tricky for some folks because for a
00:17:42 couple of different reasons you do a
00:17:43 bunch of internal certifications where
00:17:46 you get training and but they're not
00:17:48 recognized industry certifications
00:17:50 necessarily and then the second is
00:17:52 there's a lot of blank spots on y'all's
00:17:54 resume right yeah yeah like a little bit
00:17:58 I was stationed in San Antonio and I
00:18:00 worked with computers you're like well
00:18:01 what else did you do with these
00:18:02 computers so I sat with the keyboard and
00:18:03 I typed on things so right yeah with
00:18:05 with that piece it makes it tricky for
00:18:07 folks to even go through and get an
00:18:09 interview but
00:18:09 because their resume gets sent in and
00:18:11 the robots
00:18:13 I call them robots but they're really
00:18:15 just poor keyword search machines don't
00:18:17 match up and and flag anything so that
00:18:20 you even get a call back to find out hey
00:18:21 wow these people really do know their
00:18:23 stuff and they've been working on this
00:18:24 for years and they are experts so right
00:18:27 you know for transitioning members that
00:18:29 are having a hard time realizing what
00:18:32 their capability is if you go to the
00:18:34 mill cyber org website Adam Tyra made a
00:18:37 post about what to say in your resume a
00:18:41 lot of military members put hey you know
00:18:43 I deployed here a lot of military
00:18:45 buzzwords and as they go to put their
00:18:47 resume forward it doesn't translate in
00:18:49 the business industry yeah so he laid
00:18:52 out a good way for somebody like you or
00:18:54 me or Charles to make that connection
00:18:57 and tailor the resume more towards being
00:19:00 in the private sector not having to get
00:19:03 dressed in the uniform every morning
00:19:04 correct yes yep that sector so if I was
00:19:08 at I'm a military cyber professional
00:19:10 either active duty now or in the
00:19:13 reserves or I've discharged or retired
00:19:17 how do I get involved in mCP a it so I
00:19:20 on the mill cyborg website you can just
00:19:23 go on apply and then they'll have a spot
00:19:26 where you can submit your dd-214 to them
00:19:28 if you're not military not a vet and not
00:19:32 a government employee and you want to
00:19:33 still be involved they do charge a
00:19:35 membership fee but for government
00:19:37 employees military members vets it's
00:19:39 free that's excellent
00:19:41 so then in the San Antonio chapter here
00:19:45 you said the organization started back
00:19:47 in 2010-2011 overall when did the San
00:19:50 Antonio chapter stand up I would say the
00:19:52 San Antonio chapter started up in 2014
00:19:55 and then we just at first we came
00:19:57 together and it was just a lot of meet
00:19:59 and greets and then we decided hey we
00:20:01 got a push forward we can anyone give
00:20:03 something new to San Antonio and that's
00:20:05 how we let into all these programs yeah
00:20:07 so we talked a little bit earlier in the
00:20:10 program about the boot camp you guys
00:20:12 have going on for kids right now the
00:20:14 Ghost Recon no it's not Ghost Recon
00:20:16 ghost wire ghost wire there's three
00:20:18 kinds of game the kids play right
00:20:19 correct yes okay
00:20:21 and so the the ghost wire the boot camp
00:20:24 for kids what uh are some other programs
00:20:28 for that you've done out there in the
00:20:31 STEM education you said that there's
00:20:32 been things going back through the years
00:20:34 before this ghost wire stuff happening
00:20:36 now right so we uh we also have
00:20:38 coderdojo
00:20:39 that was our first program that we
00:20:41 picked up which we just pair programmers
00:20:45 people that know how to code up with
00:20:47 kids we provide them a curriculum in
00:20:51 whatever language they know and then
00:20:54 they they teach the kids so Big Brothers
00:20:57 Big Sisters but instead of kind of how
00:20:59 to get through school and make a day the
00:21:01 you are learning not just life skills
00:21:04 you're learning coding skills here
00:21:05 absolutely absolutely and not just
00:21:08 coding skills but also with a
00:21:09 concentration on cybersecurity so we'll
00:21:12 stop and tell them hey look you have to
00:21:13 pay attention to your code because if
00:21:15 you write code with vulnerabilities then
00:21:17 you're working for a power plant
00:21:19 somebody could potentially use your code
00:21:21 to exploit that software and bring down
00:21:23 that power plant so we tie that info
00:21:24 yeah
00:21:25 and he's not joking when he says power
00:21:28 plants can go offline there's a one in
00:21:30 the Ukraine earlier this year they went
00:21:33 down about two hundred fifty thousand
00:21:34 folks were out of power for four hours
00:21:36 maybe eight hours a little bit rough the
00:21:40 data coming back out of that one if you
00:21:41 did want to hear more about those
00:21:43 industrial control systems and hacking
00:21:44 on that you can listen to the replay a
00:21:47 rebroadcast of cyber talk radio on our
00:21:50 website on youtube or on itunes podcast
00:21:53 and pocket casts look up industrial
00:21:56 control systems or ICS security and
00:21:59 we've got an episode there where we went
00:22:01 into some in-depth detail that's one
00:22:04 where you listen to that and then think
00:22:07 man yeah it's important that we're gonna
00:22:08 teach these kids to grow up and be safe
00:22:11 and secure coders because and we're
00:22:14 seeing a little bit of what this looks
00:22:16 like now with the natural disasters from
00:22:18 the Hurricanes where like Puerto Rico
00:22:20 may not have power for seven months and
00:22:22 you now have an uninhabitable island or
00:22:25 big section of the island which is kind
00:22:27 of terrible that like this can happen to
00:22:29 be a natural disaster potentially if you
00:22:31 take electricity plant offline this can
00:22:34 happen
00:22:34 the cyberattack and a hack as well and
00:22:37 electricity's gone for a while then the
00:22:40 water plant can't operate and if you
00:22:41 don't have electricity and you don't
00:22:43 have water it gets to be very difficult
00:22:45 to have a city and to have order so
00:22:48 keeping these industrial control systems
00:22:50 safe is important then there's lots of
00:22:53 good people there working on security
00:22:54 but as the drawback and this whole thing
00:22:58 it only takes one whole to get in and it
00:23:01 takes the defenders have to block every
00:23:03 single one of them so I like that you
00:23:07 brought that up that's for me personally
00:23:10 that's why this is so important I refer
00:23:13 to it as cyber 911 so I'd rather see
00:23:15 America ready for cyber 911 before it
00:23:18 happens as opposed to behave with a
00:23:20 massive attack that takes out our
00:23:22 infrastructure and be caught with our
00:23:24 pants down so we're getting ready to
00:23:26 take a break here at the bottom of the
00:23:28 hour for news traffic and weather if
00:23:30 you've just joined in you're listening
00:23:32 to cyber talk radio and 1200 W AI I'm
00:23:35 your host Bret Pyatt I'm joined by Sean
00:23:38 and Charles a two of our Air Force cyber
00:23:41 professionals here in San Antonio and a
00:23:43 members of the military sniper
00:23:45 professionals association here in San
00:23:47 Antonio helping military professionals
00:23:49 work together and help kids learn
00:23:52 cybersecurity and other STEM education
00:23:55 robotics and computer programming or to
00:23:59 help those military professionals
00:24:00 transition to the private sector after
00:24:04 they end their active duty with the
00:24:07 military so some great programs we're
00:24:10 going to go into some more detail about
00:24:12 this one we will see about how you get a
00:24:14 black belt and ghost wire how that
00:24:16 program is evolving this with kids and
00:24:18 education you got to make it fun you got
00:24:19 to set some goals you got to make it
00:24:21 entertaining and interesting for them
00:24:22 and then all of a sudden you will see
00:24:23 they can learn more than you ever
00:24:25 imagined so hang with us here through
00:24:28 news traffic and weather update at the
00:24:29 bottom of the hour and we will be right
00:24:31 back on cyber talk radio
00:24:36 [Music]
00:24:43 [Music]
00:25:15 welcome back to cyber talk radio
00:25:18 I'm your host Brett Pyatt a 20-year
00:25:20 internet security veteran if you're just
00:25:22 joining us after the news traffic and
00:25:24 weather update here at the bottom of the
00:25:25 hour I'm joined this week by Sean and
00:25:27 Charles two members of the US Air Force
00:25:30 that are also members of the military
00:25:32 cyber professionals Association of San
00:25:34 Antonio it's a nonprofit organization
00:25:37 here that helps military cyber members
00:25:40 network learn how to translate their
00:25:42 skills to the private sector work and
00:25:46 collaborate with private sector
00:25:47 companies in their areas on cyber
00:25:50 projects they also do a whole bunch
00:25:52 around STEM education to help us get
00:25:56 more folks involved in cyber security
00:25:58 this is a frequent topic on this program
00:26:02 because I could talk all sorts of
00:26:05 advanced cybersecurity kung-fu but if we
00:26:09 talk all that kung-fu and there's no one
00:26:11 out there that knows how to actually go
00:26:13 do anything with it it doesn't matter so
00:26:15 we have hundreds of thousands of cyber
00:26:17 security jobs posted today and I'm
00:26:19 really my belief is there's probably
00:26:21 over a million job openings it's just
00:26:23 many companies are so discouraged they
00:26:26 don't even bother posting one because
00:26:28 they know if they do they're not gonna
00:26:29 get qualified applicants so I'd like to
00:26:32 thank both of you for doing what you can
00:26:34 to help out and get these kids learn and
00:26:38 cybersecurity excited about it so this
00:26:40 next generation we can fill all of these
00:26:42 jobs is the world is going online much
00:26:46 more every day we're seeing attacks on
00:26:51 healthcare data information companies
00:26:53 they one of the big credit reporting
00:26:55 firms Experian had a very bad data
00:27:00 breach and attack here and this is
00:27:03 across all these areas this companies
00:27:05 that have money to spend they have a
00:27:06 they had a chief information security
00:27:08 officer some companies don't even have
00:27:09 one of those and they had one they had a
00:27:11 team and even in all those cases these
00:27:14 systems are big they're complicated and
00:27:16 processes are complicated and you don't
00:27:18 really have all the training you need in
00:27:20 every spot across there like we said
00:27:22 before the break it only takes attackers
00:27:23 one way to get in you've got to stop it
00:27:25 every single time guys as I'd mentioned
00:27:28 that kung-fu we had talked a little bit
00:27:30 about ghost wire before the break and
00:27:33 you mentioned kids are gonna get belts
00:27:35 so uh our current model with coderdojo
00:27:38 they get a little USB belts and then as
00:27:40 they go through courses they get
00:27:42 different colored belts what we're
00:27:44 actually moving to is we're moving away
00:27:46 from the belts to make it more aligned
00:27:48 with ghost wiring itself because we're
00:27:50 rolling all of our programs under ghost
00:27:52 wire so they're gonna get lanyards and
00:27:54 then as they complete courses they're
00:27:57 gonna get pins that correlate with the
00:27:58 courses they've completed so you know
00:28:00 kind of like the Boy Scouts of the Girl
00:28:02 Scouts you know with their sashes so
00:28:03 they'll show up you know they'll be like
00:28:05 oh look I have a pin for you know C++
00:28:07 and C sharp when someone I have Java you
00:28:10 know and so I think that'll be cool for
00:28:13 them because it can that's how they can
00:28:14 showcase their expertise as opposed to
00:28:16 just you know a USB bracelet yeah yeah
00:28:20 and that ghost wire we're gonna call it
00:28:22 ghost wire Academy it's still gonna
00:28:24 follow the belt system that we were
00:28:26 following with coderdojo so for example
00:28:29 as we bring these kids in and we're
00:28:31 trying to get them exposed to cyber
00:28:33 security and computer hardening and OS
00:28:35 hardening we divided it up into 10-week
00:28:38 courses and then each one represents a
00:28:40 belt level so if your noob if you're
00:28:42 newbie if you're a if you're a new guy
00:28:47 and you're trying to learn cybersecurity
00:28:49 then we'll put you in the white belt
00:28:51 course and then as you get past that and
00:28:54 we do a little CTF then hey I'm ready
00:28:56 for the the yellow belt course and all
00:28:59 that academia builds on top of each
00:29:01 other so some of the things we learn in
00:29:03 the white belt course hey you know this
00:29:06 is how malware likes to behave you know
00:29:08 we got these pop-ups we know that hey we
00:29:11 probably really shouldn't be clicking on
00:29:12 the the fake antivirus ad that pops up
00:29:16 you know the kids will go through that
00:29:18 academia and come to that understanding
00:29:19 and now we're gonna put them in the
00:29:20 yellow belt class and they're gonna
00:29:22 start to do more advanced things like
00:29:24 hey let's really take a look at this
00:29:26 Wireshark that we were working with and
00:29:28 let's try to carve out some of the
00:29:29 things that we sniffed on the traffic
00:29:32 that we were looking at in the Public
00:29:33 Library so forth and so on
00:29:35 so it's meant to evolve kids to a
00:29:37 greater understanding of cyber security
00:29:39 and computer coding
00:29:41 and the robotics and the computer
00:29:44 networking to make them more robust as
00:29:47 adults as these kids go through the
00:29:51 academia and they and they learn these
00:29:52 things you know it creates a more aware
00:29:55 cybersecurity professional you know if
00:29:58 you take a cybersecurity professional
00:30:00 today and it's just been through the
00:30:01 academia
00:30:02 he or she will still be able to
00:30:03 recognize some of these vulnerabilities
00:30:06 that exist but if you have a kid that's
00:30:08 learned that all of his life he'll be
00:30:10 more able to pick up on it sooner and so
00:30:14 that's what we're trying to create that
00:30:15 that sharpened strength yeah I just I
00:30:17 had an epiphany the other day with this
00:30:21 the Big Apple announcement here recently
00:30:22 the the iPhone acts that it's it's been
00:30:24 10 years of iPhone so there's a whole
00:30:27 generation of kids out there that never
00:30:29 knew that you actually had keep physical
00:30:31 keyboards on phones like all they've
00:30:33 ever seen are these touchscreen things
00:30:34 so and most I mean everybody that's
00:30:38 under the age of 18 right now does not
00:30:40 know the world pre-internet they're like
00:30:42 what do you mean there wasn't it so for
00:30:47 many of us listening out here like
00:30:49 there's still that the life before the
00:30:51 internet and now this life with the
00:30:52 internet we've seen all that change but
00:30:54 for these kids growing up if they can
00:30:56 learn all this stuff these digital
00:30:58 natives will be able to just know
00:31:01 instinctively how to keep themselves
00:31:04 safe online and as they move into the
00:31:06 workforce how to help keep their either
00:31:08 country if they choose to join our armed
00:31:11 forces or they're a company safe if they
00:31:13 choose to go into the private sector in
00:31:15 the cyber security world so we've been
00:31:18 talking about some of this training and
00:31:19 the the aspects that makes a cyber
00:31:21 security professional and being that
00:31:24 we're here on the air in Texas if you're
00:31:26 listening to us on iHeartRadio outside
00:31:28 of Texas I'm gonna use a gun safety
00:31:30 example is we're broadcasting from 1200
00:31:34 W AI here in San Antonio right in the
00:31:37 heart in the middle of the state of
00:31:39 Texas so we can almost drive 600 miles
00:31:42 in any direction and we're still in the
00:31:44 state of Texas or at least it feels that
00:31:45 way maybe it's not 600 miles Louisiana
00:31:48 border but it might as well be through
00:31:49 Houston traffic
00:31:50 so with guns most families here in Texas
00:31:56 have a firearm and they kids as they're
00:31:59 growing up learn to be around guns to
00:32:02 learn how you have the safety on there
00:32:05 how they're appropriately locked and
00:32:07 stored away how you make sure that they
00:32:09 are not loaded when they are stored all
00:32:12 of those safety aspects around firearm
00:32:14 so that you can use them responsibly
00:32:15 whether you're going out to range to
00:32:18 shoot skeet or whether you're going out
00:32:20 to a ranch to go hunting or whether
00:32:24 you're keeping that weapon in the house
00:32:26 for personal family safety all of those
00:32:30 aspects you've got safety and ethics
00:32:33 training around that that gun so you
00:32:36 could choose to use that firearm for
00:32:38 acts that you're not allowed to do you
00:32:41 could decide when you're out there
00:32:43 hunting to shoot something you don't
00:32:44 have a tag to to go hunt ethically maybe
00:32:47 you get caught on that hunt maybe you
00:32:49 don't it's kind of this gray area and
00:32:50 like maybe some kids try it and they get
00:32:52 away with it or their parents go you
00:32:54 know what I'm just not gonna turn them
00:32:56 in for that and you get out there and if
00:33:00 they you had a bunch of kids that were
00:33:02 not supervised by adults they're gonna
00:33:05 be more likely because kids just have
00:33:07 not learned at the depth level and they
00:33:09 don't have the long-term thinking to be
00:33:12 able to understand the ramifications of
00:33:14 their actions so if you've got kids that
00:33:16 are curious and learning and already
00:33:18 into computers if they're out there on
00:33:20 the internet reading this stuff really
00:33:23 getting into a program like ghost wire
00:33:26 where they're going to be around trained
00:33:28 adults that have expertise in here and
00:33:31 can have the ethics conversations with
00:33:34 them and show them not only how to learn
00:33:36 these things but how to be responsible
00:33:38 with it and some of the ramifications of
00:33:40 their actions if they were to choose to
00:33:42 use the the knowledge that they learn in
00:33:45 a way that's not appropriate so I know
00:33:49 that ethics is something that you guys
00:33:51 hit on in the the program and teach
00:33:53 these kids the activities of what
00:33:55 they're doing and how this stuff needs
00:33:57 to be used really on the the defensive
00:33:59 side and the awareness side so I
00:34:02 appreciate you guys doing that
00:34:04 and trying to get as many the kids
00:34:06 through this as possible because it's
00:34:08 not difficult to go out there on the
00:34:10 internet if you're a parent and you're
00:34:12 listening to this and you're like well
00:34:13 my kids can't find hacking tools in the
00:34:15 Internet
00:34:15 well yeah go to Google the search engine
00:34:17 and type in hacking tools download and
00:34:20 well click on some of the links may or
00:34:23 may not be the best idea because you may
00:34:25 be getting yourself exploited there you
00:34:27 don't have the knowledge and expertise
00:34:28 but if you click around for a little bit
00:34:31 there's packages out there whether it's
00:34:32 a well known well published things like
00:34:35 Metasploit or many of these others
00:34:38 there's ways for folks to easily get
00:34:42 their hands on tools now that they don't
00:34:46 have the appropriate training and
00:34:47 understanding of what they're doing they
00:34:49 may even cause harm without meaning to
00:34:52 because again you're using these tools
00:34:54 and maybe you thought you were just
00:34:56 scanning a network and and looking at
00:34:58 something you thought you were scanning
00:34:59 your home network and you didn't really
00:35:01 know how to use it very well as you were
00:35:02 actually scanning somebody else's
00:35:03 network or then you thought you were
00:35:06 just looking at things but then you
00:35:08 actually realized you ran the exploit
00:35:09 and blue screens your computer so it's
00:35:12 getting in and getting training to learn
00:35:14 how these things work is important so
00:35:17 they can be learned and used responsibly
00:35:19 as we talk about the cybersecurity and
00:35:24 this cyber warfare this is where weapons
00:35:28 are moving they're moving from guns and
00:35:29 bombs to exploits and digital activity
00:35:33 so these things are dangerous just like
00:35:37 the other ones is we've talking off the
00:35:40 air during the break as mentioned
00:35:41 industrial control system hack in the
00:35:44 Ukraine and one of the hospitals there
00:35:45 went offline and like be in that
00:35:47 hospital people died from a cyberattack
00:35:48 so it was it not a physical bomb dropped
00:35:52 in the hospital no but it was a cyber
00:35:53 bomb effectively that got dropped on
00:35:56 that city in the Ukraine that cost
00:35:58 people live so these cyber security
00:36:00 skills and knowledge if not used
00:36:03 responsibly and ethically can cause harm
00:36:07 absolutely yeah and you know in in the
00:36:10 same capacity that a child will go out
00:36:11 and want to shoot with his father's gun
00:36:14 you know his father will teach him all
00:36:15 those ethics about holding
00:36:17 weapon and aiming and firing
00:36:18 appropriately you know we run the we run
00:36:21 kids through those ethics as well you
00:36:23 know kids aren't going out to do things
00:36:27 bad on the Internet
00:36:28 any kid that has inspiration or an
00:36:30 inclination to learn about electronics
00:36:32 or computers is naturally going to reach
00:36:34 out to the Internet cuz that's where all
00:36:36 the information is so as they're doing
00:36:38 that you know they're gonna learn about
00:36:40 buffer overflows they're gonna learn
00:36:42 about SQL injections they're gonna learn
00:36:44 about a lot of these common ways that
00:36:45 websites can get hacked and you know cuz
00:36:49 it's all over the place it's on YouTube
00:36:50 they can look wherever they wanted it
00:36:52 sans org there yes I'm Ted list that's
00:36:55 what here's the ten things to try first
00:36:56 Yeah right well more importantly so
00:36:59 they're probably going to turn to
00:37:00 YouTube and I don't know if you've ever
00:37:01 gone through YouTube and looked the way
00:37:03 a child would look but a lot of the kids
00:37:05 that are up there posting they're not
00:37:07 posting correct information they're
00:37:09 posting what they themselves have
00:37:10 derived from things that they've read
00:37:12 and so you know you're getting like
00:37:14 third and fourth effect YouTube videos
00:37:16 of misinformation yeah you know those
00:37:21 kids they go out and they reach out and
00:37:22 they try to get information and you know
00:37:24 they like hey I want to try this exploit
00:37:26 because I have a tutorial that I can see
00:37:29 online that's easy to follow and they
00:37:31 don't fully understand the consequences
00:37:32 of what you're doing like what you were
00:37:34 highlighting about with the with the
00:37:36 enumeration and nmap scanning and stuff
00:37:39 of that nature going out and trying to
00:37:40 scan networks you know when they're in
00:37:43 the ghost wire class we always put on a
00:37:46 concentration concentration on ethics
00:37:48 and we explain to them hey look some of
00:37:51 these things that you're doing they can
00:37:52 cause damage not just like immediately
00:37:55 but eventually or from another action
00:37:58 that could occur if you go out and you
00:37:59 scan this network and it misfires or or
00:38:03 malfunctions you know that could be
00:38:05 something that could possibly put
00:38:06 somebody's life in danger so you know
00:38:09 hacking is cool and fun and and and it's
00:38:12 it's fun to watch and it's fun to hear
00:38:13 about and stuff but when we concentrate
00:38:16 on the ethics of what you're doing and
00:38:18 why you need to learn to be a white hat
00:38:21 instead of a black hat I think that
00:38:22 carries a lot of weight with kids and it
00:38:25 gives them a sense of pride and
00:38:26 responsibility and what they're doing
00:38:28 yeah I think kids grow up they want to
00:38:30 be superheroes not supervillains
00:38:32 absolutely yes so we can show them the
00:38:34 path to being cyber superheroes and you
00:38:37 know I've had some kids in class where
00:38:38 they're like hey I think it would be
00:38:40 awesome to be a supervillain and you
00:38:43 know I kind of explained to him I'm like
00:38:44 well you know that does sound exciting
00:38:46 and fun you know but there are a number
00:38:49 of cyber security experts I have plenty
00:38:52 of time to pick apart what you did how
00:38:55 you did it and how to prove it was you
00:38:57 and you may outsmart four or five people
00:38:59 for a limited amount of time but
00:39:01 eventually you're gonna get caught and
00:39:03 exposed and FBI is knocking on your door
00:39:06 trying to figure out why the little
00:39:07 Jimmy try to hack into the NSA or that
00:39:10 the NASA website you know and it's it's
00:39:13 probably purely innocent just a test
00:39:15 concept but you know for those companies
00:39:17 that's a big deal yeah yeah if you take
00:39:21 that scanning software and start going
00:39:24 after your favorite dot mil or gov
00:39:28 websites yes will come knockin you're
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00:39:56 there but for those that may be in their
00:39:59 car and I just joined the program we're
00:40:02 talking military cyber professionals
00:40:03 association of San Antonio here about
00:40:06 how the military members if you're
00:40:08 stationed here and I want to get
00:40:10 involved in a professional organization
00:40:12 to work on your skills to collaborate
00:40:17 with some private sector partners or to
00:40:18 take some of those skills and help teach
00:40:20 kids stem and cyber you can get involved
00:40:25 and check it out searching for mCP a San
00:40:28 Antonio in your Google or Bing or
00:40:30 DuckDuckGo depending on how you like to
00:40:34 obscure your searches on the internet so
00:40:36 you guys have an annual event that you
00:40:40 do for capture the flag that I'd heard
00:40:43 that about absolutely yeah so what's the
00:40:45 story on that one so last year was our
00:40:46 first year doing it and we were just
00:40:49 looking for a way to raise money because
00:40:51 what we do we provide these services to
00:40:53 the community for free and then Shona
00:40:55 myself we're both active duty so we
00:40:57 don't have a lot of free time to go out
00:40:59 and you know make money other ways for
00:41:02 the for the nonprofit so we decided to
00:41:04 hold a CTF to try to raise funds to pay
00:41:06 for you know all the all the bracelets
00:41:08 and t-shirts and you know whatever else
00:41:10 the kids might need for during the
00:41:12 courses so we decided to host the CTF we
00:41:16 had some some sponsors hak5 gave us some
00:41:19 goodies to give away USAA gave us some
00:41:22 money
00:41:23 geek delet us use their event center
00:41:25 over here and oh yeah it was it was a
00:41:28 great time we had I think like 25 teams
00:41:30 total there was only like 18 people in
00:41:35 the actual event center and then we had
00:41:37 a number of the teams were remote no one
00:41:41 actually finished the whole CTF courtesy
00:41:45 of Paul Jordan he he broke that CTF and
00:41:47 uh it was pretty legit good yeah I like
00:41:51 it and uh so for those that are
00:41:54 listening and normally thinking for
00:41:56 nonprofits there's this a gala
00:41:58 fundraiser you're getting on a tuxedo
00:41:59 this is a much more fun and practical
00:42:01 hands-on fundraising activity yes so
00:42:04 they explain what I capture the flag is
00:42:07 for a listener that has never
00:42:09 participated in one before so basically
00:42:12 the the teams or individuals
00:42:15 I think everyone decided to be teams
00:42:17 they go through and they get points for
00:42:20 whatever questions they can answer so
00:42:22 it'll be basically computer based
00:42:24 puzzles some of them may be set up where
00:42:27 you have to actually break into a box
00:42:29 find the flag on the box and others are
00:42:32 going to be you have an encryption
00:42:33 algorithm and you have to figure out how
00:42:36 to crack it so there's a lot of
00:42:38 different variation and what we did
00:42:40 there yeah so logic games and puzzles to
00:42:42 figure out how to get through to some
00:42:44 piece of information that's stored
00:42:46 either on a USB stick or on a server
00:42:50 somewhere or on a website or right
00:42:52 depends on the the different CTF and
00:42:55 then what the object
00:42:57 are in that one but this is a where you
00:42:59 learn how to to go through all the the
00:43:02 different pieces of the computing
00:43:04 systems to get through and peel back the
00:43:06 layers of the onion until you reach the
00:43:08 information it sounds like on this one
00:43:09 the objective was not found so no one no
00:43:14 one made it all the way through did you
00:43:15 have a winning team that got the closest
00:43:17 we did we did I think they were there
00:43:19 was a QWERTY qwe rty yeah and they got
00:43:23 pretty far yeah I think they had one or
00:43:25 two flags left to find yeah they almost
00:43:27 made it they okay we made it pretty
00:43:29 difficult like you know we're not gonna
00:43:30 say hey I'll use cyber guys that are so
00:43:34 experienced come down and come to our
00:43:35 CTF and they just blast right through it
00:43:37 no we wanted to make it pretty hard and
00:43:38 difficult for them to get progress and
00:43:41 it worked yeah thanks Paul Jordan cuz he
00:43:44 pulled that off great yeah so uh and
00:43:46 QWERTY QW ERT why it sounds like a
00:43:50 complicated password it's not one you
00:43:52 should use
00:43:52 you could have never looked down at your
00:43:54 keyboard it's the characters up at the
00:43:56 top left so as we had talked a little
00:43:58 bit about the start of the program about
00:44:00 better passwords teaching kids to use
00:44:02 good passwords kids will do stuff like
00:44:04 QWERTY or is mentioned earlier their
00:44:06 dog's name or maybe whenever their
00:44:08 favorite video game character's name is
00:44:10 so these are things that should not be
00:44:12 passwords and you this is a one for the
00:44:15 parents listening out there as well or
00:44:17 just business professionals if you think
00:44:20 you're getting communication from a
00:44:22 trusted colleague or you're getting
00:44:23 communication from one of your children
00:44:25 it may or may not be your colleague or
00:44:27 your children if they're not using good
00:44:29 passwords and keeping their system safe
00:44:31 and secured so if you're getting asked
00:44:34 to shared sensitive information via a
00:44:37 text message or a online chat or an
00:44:42 email pick up the phone and call them
00:44:44 over voice it's much harder to spoof
00:44:46 that it's not impossible these days some
00:44:49 folks out there we were mentioned in
00:44:50 YouTube there's a video of President
00:44:52 Obama that was not President Obama so
00:44:54 that mean they've even faked a whole
00:44:56 video there he was not president at the
00:44:58 time when this video was fake but just
00:44:59 to show where the state of that that has
00:45:01 come true but for the average person if
00:45:03 you pick up the phone and call and do a
00:45:05 voice authentication did you really send
00:45:06 me this email that's pretty good the
00:45:08 ideal is if you don't have to share
00:45:10 some information over an online
00:45:13 connection without verifying in person
00:45:15 first that that they asked you for it
00:45:17 just wait until you actually see them
00:45:19 face-to-face because we're a long ways
00:45:21 away from being able to fake that so as
00:45:27 you guys did the CTF event last year if
00:45:30 the folks wanted to learn about when
00:45:32 this next one is or if they wanted a
00:45:33 volunteer to try to help set it up and
00:45:35 work the event next year where do they
00:45:39 find out about that from you know so our
00:45:40 website be the best best place to go em
00:45:44 CPA Tech sa org we're also having a
00:45:47 social event coming up on October 21st
00:45:50 at the Anchor Bar gonna be discounted
00:45:53 wings there
00:45:54 come sit beer interact with us we're
00:45:57 always looking for volunteers that know
00:45:59 how to code and don't mind teaching kids
00:46:00 I know plenty of programmers but the
00:46:03 minute they find out that I'm wanting
00:46:04 them to teach kids they're like yeah so
00:46:07 this is a basically it's a Big Brothers
00:46:09 and Big Sisters but instead of teaching
00:46:11 them life skills you can teach them
00:46:12 software development so if that sounds
00:46:14 engaging for you you want to help some
00:46:16 kids learn to code what time y'all going
00:46:18 to be out at the Anchor Bar so we're
00:46:20 gonna get there it starts at 4:00 p.m.
00:46:21 and it's gonna last until 7 p.m. so
00:46:24 there you go and uh where's this Anchor
00:46:26 Bar at here at San Antonio
00:46:28 alright the Anchor Bar is a 45 53 north
00:46:32 loop 1604 and that's sweet 11:33 you'll
00:46:35 see it out there yeah best wings I've
00:46:38 had yeah I was pretty good yeah yep we
00:46:40 wanted to bring people down and you know
00:46:43 and give back and say thank you for
00:46:44 being a member and here's some free
00:46:46 chicken wings and here's some of the
00:46:49 stuff that we're doing and if you want
00:46:50 to get involved let us know because we
00:46:53 definitely need help yeah and if we've
00:46:57 got folks listening that wanted to
00:47:00 donate money being a non-profit you guys
00:47:03 are buying t-shirts you said all these
00:47:04 different things so though they're ways
00:47:07 for folks that donate online or do they
00:47:08 contact you guys to put a donation or if
00:47:11 they show up the social can they drop
00:47:13 some in your baseball cap absolutely
00:47:15 yeah awesome yeah and we have a PayPal
00:47:17 account and all that stuff too so yeah
00:47:20 if you want to go ahead and go online
00:47:21 and reach out to the team there and then
00:47:24 they can take your donation to help get
00:47:26 the kids the badges and things that they
00:47:28 need to be able to move through the the
00:47:30 education programs absolutely because if
00:47:32 the kids complete the lesson and they're
00:47:34 like where's my pin you're like yeah
00:47:35 we're out of money this week to buy pins
00:47:37 yeah sorry little Johnny you don't get
00:47:39 your JavaScript pin yeah you're gonna
00:47:41 have to wait on that one until the next
00:47:44 fundraising drive so so I know we've
00:47:46 been talking about folks that are
00:47:48 cybersecurity professionals or expert
00:47:50 coders getting involved that is their
00:47:53 opportunity if I just want to help kids
00:47:56 succeed in this I don't happen to know
00:47:59 all these things yet myself can I help
00:48:02 and contribute absolutely so we uh we
00:48:05 gear our curriculum toward kids so
00:48:07 adults pick it up pretty easily so our
00:48:10 instructor assistants oftentimes they
00:48:12 don't know they're not experts in
00:48:14 programming or cybersecurity or robotics
00:48:17 they may know just a little bit or no
00:48:19 maybe no nothing at all that they pick
00:48:22 it up as we go through and then when the
00:48:24 kids ask questions they're like oh yeah
00:48:25 I understood that so there you go if
00:48:29 you're interested in helping out and you
00:48:32 like big brother big sister that sort of
00:48:34 programs and you want to give back to
00:48:36 getting our kids through to the learn
00:48:39 stem and get educated here make San
00:48:41 Antonio in our country a better place
00:48:42 you can do that with the NCPA xxi
00:48:45 they're gonna have a social out at the
00:48:47 anchor bar up off of 1604 you can also
00:48:50 check out their website and you'll be
00:48:52 able to listen to this program in full
00:48:55 online on our website WWF talk radio
00:48:59 comm on Tuesday we put up this episode
00:49:04 on all episodes the Tuesday after they
00:49:06 broadcast here over the weekend you can
00:49:08 also listen to all of our past programs
00:49:10 including if you're interested in what's
00:49:14 going on here in the Cyber Command out
00:49:17 there at the Air Force where both of
00:49:18 these gentlemen serve we had on Sheri
00:49:21 Hanson who was the executive director
00:49:23 the highest-ranking civilian
00:49:25 out there before she headed back to the
00:49:28 War College she's no longer here with us
00:49:30 in San Antonio but wishing her Seema
00:49:32 good luck here Ana and we've also had a
00:49:34 congressman we'll heard as one of our
00:49:37 four congressional members with a
00:49:38 computer science degree so thank you for
00:49:41 listening to cyber talk radio
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